To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

Och don’t be daft we have devolved powers in Scotland

I ‘got there in the end’

What do Airbnbs in Edinburgh have to do with mismanagement of government funds?

in any event so what if these matters are devolved? They are devolved to a local government under uk control. Why do you support the status quo if you don’t agree with it?

@Fairisleflora so you are ignoring the fact-checker I posted which shows how you can not claim either nation is subsidising the other with the available figures?

They’re not allowed to analyse or criticise any of the actions of leadership of the SNP. It’s a condition of membership so there will NEVER be accountability.
At least the Tories were allowed to challenge Boris. At least there is free speech there.

In Scotland we’re not allowed to define what a woman is without being accused of hate speech.

Try this.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-has-scotland-subsidised-the-rest-of-the-uk

In recent years, since the oil boom, it would seem that Scotland is a net beneficiary.

To be honest you should be sceptical about something posted by an opposing political party. It’s almost certainly partisan and biased.

Local government is not under uk control- their grant comes from Scottish Government and it’s been cut year on year

I don’t think a fact checker is more accurate than Scottish government published figures, no. As had there been any other story that put a better spin on the Scottish government’s economic position they would have published that instead.

"Bank of Scotland is a subsidiary of Nat West- an English bank"

BOS absolutely are not a subsidiary of NatWest

Who isn’t? Do you have any evidence for that?

I can never forgive the SNP for stirring up hatred among the young. Over the last decade or so, I have spoken to several young SNP supporters and, though they've never said anything to my face, I can sense their hostility when I speak. As soon as they hear my accent, there is a slight flicker in the eye - a change in body language. Obviously the SNP are careful what they say in public. But behind closed doors I'm sure the older members do all that can to instill anger and hatred in the young. They know it's the quickest route to victory.

For example, I remember reading a long post by a Scottish girl who accused the English of "invading and raping my country." She seemed to have based her entire view of history on Braveheart and the rantings of her SNP-supporting uncles. Obviously no one told her that union began in 1603 when a Scottish king took over the English throne. And maybe someone should have told her that the first Scottish PM of Great Britain appeared in the middle of the 18th-century. The PM at the time of the Crimean war was Scottish. During WW1, the head of the British army was Scottish. The SAS was founded by a Scottish aristocrat. Christ, even Gladstone was Scottish! The idea that the Scots have been bullied and subjugated by the English is just bullsh*t.

And there seems to be confusion as to the cost of running UK DVLA offices in Scotland who perform a function as part of a process run by the UK government and the cost of implementing that process from scratch in a new country. The IT system would be extremely expensive. The failed one off census cost £150m after all.

It’s not evidence that Scottish people are parasites though. Rather that the position within the uk comes and goes with the current set up. Since 2011 Scotland may have been a net beneficiary but was a net contributor before that.

Yes this
Its alway good to know what you are aligning yourself with.

Tusk said that in 2020 as the UK left the EU. He said he now felt very Scottish. 🤔 😁 It was just a dig at Brexit.

Well of course it’s going to be biased, and I’m sceptical of all facts and figures that are presented by any side. What’s interesting to me is if the facts are:

1. true
2. make use of valid comparators
3. uses rates and proportions rather than absolute numbers (so a reasonable choice of denominator) and
4. matter (that one’s a bit more subjective but if it’s the sort of thing that most countries care about it probably counts)

It is 101 failings though so I could be a fairly long time fact checking it 😂 see you in about 2 weeks maybe

That’s already happened and will be rolled out further under the new devolution deals.

Any answers to my questions @antelopevalley @shrodingersvaccine @Villagewaspbyke ?

ah so your argument against independence is that the IT system for the DVLA would be prohibitively expensive.

Except don’t other small countries have driver’s licenses? In fact don’t many small states in the USA have their own drivers licenses? Why is it such a barrier here?

What questions?

There is so much rubbish on this thread. It is like Brexit all over again.

Or saying that he now felt very Scottish means he and many others would be favourable to Scotlands application.

I posted others saying they would welcome an application from n independent Scotland.
And yes politically it would be a win for the EU.

Is that a joke link? It’s a fluff piece from the herald from 2015 that doesn’t support your weird claims.