To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

No they don't mean this at all. I personally know several SNP politicians. Have done for years. Most of them really do mean Tory and not English.

Do you get supporters who hate the English? Yes, but they're in the minority I'd say.

No evidence that SNP so worse in educated populations. In fact the opposite. Actually they do best in the young who tend to have a higher level of education and worse in the elderly for wh the converse is true.

But they would be the ones taking us through the independence process and their record is shocking.

Apologies @Villagewaspbyke my comment was for @StoneofDestiny.
The thread is indeed about independence and given the SNP’s track record, I have no faith in them.

@WouldBeGood maybe you see the flickering in people's eyes when you are talking because of what you say?
Certainly here you do not appear to actually listen to what others say, preferring your own interpretation of what you think they might be saying.
I remember working with a man with a very posh accent who complained about the discrimination he experienced from colleagues because of his accent. In reality he was an overconfident bullshitter who tried to dominate every conversation he had.

Most who disagree their “record is shocking” (hence why they keep voting for them). But in any event what difference does it make? They don’t propose anything other than a democracy so you can vote for whoever you like.

The vote for independence is a vote for independence, not a party.
Exactly the same with Brexit.

I’m a huge fan and supporter of Joanna Cherry. And she is a huge supporter of Scottish independence. Which is what we are talking about here

Joanna Cherry will be a huge credit to an independent Scotland.

Exactly this. I know a range of indie supporters - pro SNP, in SNP but disenchanted and sticking it out for independence itself, labour for independence, Alba, etc.

You will get plenty of SNP members who will openly agree they have issues but will campaign hard for independence all the same. The bigger picture.

Absolutely agree. I don't agree with the way Nicola has treated Joanna Cherry. Although there are many things about Nicola I do admire, I felt let down by that.

You said you had lived in Scotland all your life to bolster your anti SNP rant. But that’s not actually true is it?

nor that it matters- I haven’t lived in Scotland always. But you think that gives you more of a say (hence why you said it). Except it’s not true. Am I right?

I think the biggest problem with Scottish independence is where would England put its Trident subs?

Falmouth

I'm in England but would consider moving TO Scotland if it went independent (and I was allowed!)

Without Scotland, UK politics will move permanently to the right. Eternal Toryland is not somewhere I want to live. It's probably not somewhere Scots want as a neighbor either, tbh.

For the young ones Independence sounds like a no-brainer. They'd have an awful lot to gain but it would (will?) be interesting to see how Sturgeon addresses pensions. What would happen, not to the ones already getting theirs, but to those who've already paid into theirs (in the UK) but are still working (in Scotland)? Should they get half from the UK and half from Scotland? How would that math go? I'd be seriously worried if I were in that position and I think that's an awful lot of people worried. Particularly those who are halfway through it.
Does anyone have any examples of how it was done in other countries when they became independent? How would that go?

Not much they can do about that, other than get a hard border if that’s what they want

Labour could still do it though?, they used to benefit from Scotland more but not so much now

They welcome applications from any country which meet its entrance criteria.

How much will it cost Scotland? How long will it take to get membership? Given that not everyone who voted yes wants to join the EU will we actually join? What are the T&Cs for an independent Scotland joining?

If yes won would Scotland automatically apply to join the EU or would it have a referendum beforehand ?

And what if it had a referendum and the vote was no? I get the feeling one of the reasons some people will vote yes to an independent Scotland is the chance to re-join the EU. Bur what if the No vote won? Would they still be happy with an independent Scotland outside the EU?

It's rife across the whole UK thanks to the Tories.

No one has examples of how that happened in respect of modern uk state pensions as it has never happened before. However it is a good point that those who qualify for uk pensions can live anywhere (and you only need to pay ni for 10 years to qualify) so no reason they couldn’t live in Scotland and qualify for rump uk pensions. But as you say, this will need to be worked out and no one knows the answer at the moment.

Democracy is democracy. If a majority vote for independence based on rejoining the eu you would think that any vote for rejoining the eu would be successful. But if it isn’t it isn’t. But it’s not much of an argument to say don’t vote for independence on the basis’ of supporting the EU because then a referendum for the eu might not be successful. The eu is very popular in Scotland and rejoining is very very likely to be approved.

Indie supporters can differ on this point.

I'd say most want to rejoin the EU. Others want full sovereignty - no Westminster, no EU.

So just a reminder of the poem the UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson allowed to be published in the Spectator magazine when he was editor. Notice the language of the Holocaust is used through out. Change 'Scots' to 'Blacks' or 'Jews' and see if you find it funny..........

The Scotch – what a verminous race!

Canny, pushy, chippy, they’re all over the place, Battening off us with false bonhomie, Polluting our stock, undermining our economy.

Down with sandy hair and knobbly knees!

Suppress the tartan dwarves and the Wee Frees!

Ban the kilt, the skean-dhu and the sporran

As provocatively, offensively foreign!

It’s time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified

To pen them in a ghetto on the other side.

I would go further. The nation

Deserves not merely isolation

But comprehensive extermination.

We must not flinch from a solution.

Bloody heck, I'm not Scotish yet I'm offended. That's really bloody offensive.

All this talk of Scotland rejoining the EU. You do realise that the EU itself would need to approve Scotland rejoining as an independent country? And they may not? And that it would necessitate some sort of hard border between England and Scotland. And potentially two different currencies. It would be a mess. It's like we've learnt nothing at all from Brexit.

Scottish! not Scotish!