To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

@littlbrowndog … you beat me to it. 😀

@Thebestwaytoscareatory
just so you know Scotland is energy self-sufficent.

Well Engand's probably self sufficient or are you talking about renewables.
Check this out:-
fullfact.org/environment/scotland-renewable-energy/

If the SNP were transparent about Indy and the economic risks then I would be all for a referendum. If the majority think that living in a less prosperous nation is worth it for independence then that’s fine. It’s the gaslighting of an entire population that riles me. It’s Brexit and the £250m NHS bus all over again. Lies, lies, lies.

Handily the Scottish government produces GERS figures which show just how much Scotland benefits financially from being part of the UK.

So a major company/ manufacturer which runs a UK-wide business will stay in Scotland

Is there a major company which runs a UK wide business in Scotland* *😂

I've been in the maternity unit in Dr Gray's hence why I was questioning it as the poster appeared to be saying there are no maternity services there.

Yes some cases will require specialist provision in Aberdeen but others will go to Elgin or Raigmore.

My DP would go back to Scotland if it got indie, particularly if it went back into the EU. That’s what’s important to him. He voted no in the last referendum but Brexit has crippled his business and he’s a hard yes now.

Ah do you’ve moved on from it would be about the history of the ancient (10 years old) FCA and it’s regulatory prowess. Well that’s something.

why would taxpayers move south? Tax is already higher in Scotland.

why would scotland need “endless civil service numbers”? Why wouldn’t the move of some civil service Jobs’s from London to Scotland actually be a good thing for Scottish jobs?

Why do you think the age of the Bank of England means it can borrow more cheaply? How does it compare to younger banks?

how do you know what will happen to a any currency versus the pound? What are these facts?

why do you think financial institutions would ever be allowed to retain domestic borrowing in one currency when the currency of that country had changed to another? Did that happen in the eurozone?

it does sound patronising yes. There is a harmful and racist trope that Scottish people are some sort of parasites in the uk peddled by the right wing press. That’s what you are doing here. It’s not facts at all.

Education attainment gap.

this is damming

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20148292.snp-drop-key-pledge-close-education-attainment-gap-2026/

there are many international companies in Scotland and in England. No reason to think separation of the uk would mean that would change.

What’s wrong with having proper maternity care for women. Why do they have to travel 65 miles. To Inverness or wherever.

I had both dds in London. NHS services are dire and I went private with dd2.

Yes, good points. I know there's been a boom in property prices in the last few years. I wonder how many people will decide to cash in now — if they can find buyers. Your point about taking out a mortgage in sterling and being paid in the new Scottish currency, which may tank, is worrying. I for one wouldn't risk purchasing in Scotland until there's a reassurance that if a new referendum throws up another no vote, that'll be the last referendum for a minimum of 20 years.

@Villagewaspbyke well, why the fuck would people vote on that basis? Shut your eyes and leap off the cliff

We're both higher earners and have left already. Got fed up of the constant independence threat looming and death of investment in my town. We were also worried that independence would knock off even more value off our house and every year we stayed, it would be harder to move anywhere else if the jobs market continued to get squeezed. A lot of our friends have also come to the same decision and if they have no family in Scotland, they've already jumped ship before the water gets too high. It's really nice not to have to be worried about it anymore. It's nicer not to have to listen to independence arguments and then hear the exact opposite once the subject of brexit comes up. Independence is going to be a lot harder than Brexit and yet my 'yes' friends seem to think that Scotland will be able to cherry pick the good bits and not be responsible for the bad bits and that the fallout we've seen with brexit won't happen. Drove me nuts.

The National ‘newspaper’ recently had a headline stating that Indy would mean 52,000 new civil service jobs alas though this is a good thing. We would have to pay for them. It’s not the jobs though, it’s the setting up of the welfare state payment process, DVLA, ministry of defence, foreign office, embassy’s. You have to admit that would cost billions.

and lending rates. They are based on credit ratings which are built up through years of being lent money and paying it back on time. It’s a fact. The Bank of England can borrow cheaply. A new bank would not be able to.

All those things happened under the uk. It’s not an argument against independence.

nothing is perfect and no one says things can’t be better. But if you think Scotland is so badly off,why do you support more of the same?

Find this very interesting. I’m not Scottish and pro-unionist but husband is Scottish and if they became independent but were able to join the EU we’d seriously consider moving there. Totally sick of the UK. I know the grass is always greener but from where I’m standing Scotland seems an attractive place to go(we’re considering leaving England in the long term anyway)

Slightly late to the thread, but need to point out that Virgin money did not acquire Clydesdale bank. It was/is the other way round.

I don’t think Scotland are parasites. It’s just a fact that the UK gathers taxes and distributes to regions based on need not how much taxes are raised in that region. Only the SE and London earn in tax more than they spend, but London in particularly takes so much in tax that it can distribute a bonus £2k per person to Scotland, more PP to NIreland and the NE of England. That’s the bonus of being in a union with an e trembly economically prosperous part of the world. Why walk away from that?

But my government did the ferries and the hospitals and Gupta and the education gap and the hospital and the maternity services and the hate crime

that’s my government. Scottish government

Lol. Things such as driving licenses are not new in Scotland. Civil service jobs are not new - they are just in essence being relocated from elsewhere in the uk. Which is likely to be of benefit to Scotland.

the Bank of England can borrow cheaply due to its credit rating yes. You got there in the end. But other central banks also have good credit ratings.

These are devolved issues. Under direct control of the Scottish government, who have massively mismanaged funds!

Right. Is it better than the lockdown party having, brexit loving, Rwanda deporting uk government? Is that your government?

Eh @Ianrankinfan I didn’t dismiss it, I said I was going to look at it, I haven’t had a chance to look at it yet because I’ve been busy until now. I literally thanked you for the link.