To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

The Tories popularity is dropping like a stone due to Brexit

Brexit is as popular as ever.

DH is Scottish and I’ve often encountered anti-English comments from his family. It’s strange as it seems more to be about accent than anything. Someone in his family told me I needed to make the effort and sound Scottish.

I am so confused! why do people think NS and the SNP have done a terrible job with Scotland? I’m not saying they haven’t I just don’t understand it. NS seems to have okay approval ratings overall (maybe this has changed?) compared with other leaders.

On loads of measures Scotland seem to out perform England (just assuming that’s the comparator but maybe that’s not what people are comparing). As far as I’m aware poverty is lower in Scotland, including child poverty compared with England, I think poverty among the elderly is higher is Scotland but they are the richest group in England so that would make sense Poverty Scotland 2020

Healthcare is better funded and higher rated by the population in Scotland compared to England en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Scotland

Median income in Scotland is 3rd in the UK after London and South East England, and is above the UK average Median income UK by region

Cost of living is 10% cheaper in Scotland compared to England, houses in particular are more affordable

Crime rate is much lower compared to England and Wales Regional crime rate

air quality is better! Iqair index

more generous childcare in Scotland versus England, from what I can tell. (30hrs versus 15hrs per week)

Education does seem to be better in England versus Scotland, and life expectancy is still lagging a good bit behind England and Wales, but isn’t that bad- Life expectancy . Definitely drugs deaths are very high compared to England.

Overall, they seem to be doing pretty well no? what big obvious thing am I missing?

The SNP are popular amongst their supports as they shell out lots on money in benefit top ups while making spurious claims such as if Scotland were independent they would double pensions.

That's interesting. Never heard that perspective or those stats before.

@Puffalicious at the referendum, when he was six he got hassle at school, and talk of killing the English. He’s regularly called an English cunt now, as is his friend with an English accent.

he’s not unduly upset now, but is keen to leave Scotland which he views as a horrible place. Makes me sad as I have always been proud to be Scottish, until now.

Students may not be paying tuition fees, but conversely, the provision for disabled students is a fraction of what students receive in other parts of the UK. So, yes, able bodied, NT student will be better off, but if any student who NM support won't. And they won't have the option to study elsewhere in the UK where provision is better.

And there will not be free university education in an independent Scotland as it will now be affordable

Not, not now

No - there will not be a vast migration of rich Scots if the YES vote carries.

Im a Scot and married to an Englishman. My husband has never be subject to the abuse from fellow Scots some people talk about here and has never experienced Xenophobia or anything close.
Yes - football and accents are subjects for much fun as they are when I'm down in England. All good fun.
The idea that Scots hate English people is utter and complete garbage. Why would they? There are thousands of English people happily living in Scotland.

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The SNP hate the English almost as much as they hate women

utter nonsense.
I'm a woman and in the SNP as so many women are, including the First Minister!

They include men as women though @StoneofDestiny

@StoneofDestiny could you explain how the border with England would work? EU membership? The central bank? Pensions? Mortgages? Currency?

I am not a Tory voter , but this sums it up..
www.scottishconservatives.com/news/101-snp-failures/

Thanks @Ianrankinfan will check it out!

That’s just off the top of my head, I think there are more where Scotland out performs. I do work with these kinds of indicators a lot though so maybe it’s not very common knowledg3e, and I may well be missing some important stuff (going to check out a link shared by @Ianrankinfan )

The fact that she wins election after election shows that the Scottish population are generally quite happy with NS and the SNP. Mumsnet is very anti SNP though.

but If you really aren’t a Tory wouldn’t you be sceptical about that given it’s on the Conservative party website?

Most people in Scotland don’t vote SNP though

The fact that she wins election after election shows that the Scottish population are generally quite happy with NS and the SNP. Mumsnet is very anti SNP though.

The SNP haven't had a huge amount of competition since Donald Dewar died. The Scottish branches of the main parties are very much the poor relation of the Westminster parties and get the weaker candidates. Ruth Davidson was of a higher calibre than most of the recent party leaders, but there's no chance that the Scottish Conservatives could get a majority in Holyrood - even if they do come across as less swivel-eyed loons than their parent party.

I think there are or will be papers on these things. I don’t know why people get so hung up on a potential border between England and Scotland. The same people don’t seem to give a toss about the border issues on the island of Ireland despite the fraught situation and history there.

This is it Link here to news report. For some reason I can’t just paste one

far more people vote for them than any other party. Over and over and over again. They have the type of popularity many politicians can only dream of especially in such a diverse system as Scotland.

This from the FT:

In 15 years, the London Stock Exchange’s share of global equity values has fallen from 8.5 per cent to 3.6 per cent. Since January 2015, the FTSE 100 has gained about 13 per cent. America’s S&P 500 has risen about 130 per cent. One factor in its flagging performance is Brexit, which hit sterling and foreign investors’ confidence, and is not about to be reversed.

Full article here:
www.ft.com/content/b8b24d99-2190-4b42-83ea-43b68e5c5823

London is no longer viewed as a good place to launch a private company onto the stock market. Many companies opened offices in Paris or elsewhere.

@Ofcourseandyouknowit Conservative propaganda at its worst.