To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?

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The Depp/Heard trial was troubling to me.

On the one hand, people do sometimes make false allegations, especially after relationship breakups.

On the other hand, dragging someone to court for alleging domestic violence might deter some women from reporting it.

Assuming the court got it right and Depp was not a perpetrator, how could he have handled the situation so that it would not put domestic violence victims off coming forward for fear of being sued?

Worrying all round.

What's an MRA?

One thing I find interesting is that AH chose to have a child, but not with JD- that would have set her up financially for life.

She came across as a liar, they both drank and used drugs. The trial was about whether she defamed him not whether he abused her.

They are both vile- I don’t believe she was scared of him. I think his abuse was more stonewalling, get drugged off his face, smearing blood around (weirdo) and calling her a cunt. Toxic relationship and both should’ve walked away.
Her career is in tatters, he will be in demand.

In my opinion YANBU. The memes are saying it won’t hurt women only women who lie. In the case of psychological abuse and coercive behaviour, they are hard enough to prove as it is- I don’t think this case will help.

I had no idea that either of them was Jewish, so my view of the outcome really doesn’t have anything to do with antisemitism.

I am pleased that her lies were laid out so clearly, that she’s going to be bankrupted, and that (hopefully) her glamorous Hollywood career is over.

I can’t find any mention on the internet of a Jewish connection.

No. It doesn't. He said she did in court. He said in texts that he did it himself. An expert hand surgeon said his testimony was inconsistent with the injury- basically if his hand was on the counter as described the top if the finger and nail would have been damaged by a flying bottle.
Anyway regardless of how it was injured, he then scrawled abuse in blood, and then dipped his finger in paint to continue. Dr Kipper was very concerned he would get sepsis from contaminating the wound.
That is not usual behaviour. That's not how any rational person would respond to a serious injury
He was clearly not rational, probably through drink or drugs, so I don't understand why he was perceived to be a reliable witness to anything.
To me it really is the ultimate DARVO to claim "there was a victim of abuse, but it's not Ms Heard"
At very best they were both abusive. But I think his behaviour is entirely consistent with an abusive man - and I mean the reputation he has generally, how he treated previous girlfriends and how he talks about women and sex in texts, not what Amber has alleged.

@Comefromaway As I clearly explained, I was the recipient of an anti Semitic attack in a recent thread about this. My comment upthread covers this. MNHQ failed to act despite evidence.

I had a bit of a Google, and don’t think either of them are Jewish. Are you sure that one is, or is this some sort of weird conspiracy theory?

What are you trying to allege; she was taken to court by an anti-Jewish cabal?

@AdamRyan it is absolutely textbook DARVO.

@CanaryWharf2 The fact that I've explained upthread and yet you're smearing me as a conspiracy theorist tells me everything I need to know, thanks

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Interestingly what I saw was him abusing her.
Smashing things, telling her she is irrelevant, refusing to engage with her
Thats before you even get on to the bruises and witness testimony about what her friends and family saw.
Anyway. I know they are all liars, I didn't watch the trial, your mum/gran/aunt was abusive or your husband/son was abused by a cold hearted evil woman who nearly murdered him but noone cared. Just to cut short the script

It’s quite sad that this is used as a pejorative by the more unhinged posters.

Textbook DARVO yes. But not the way you think.

It's mens rights activist and if you read what they stand for it's definitely not a movement any reasonable human would want to be aligned with.

The proponents make out that its the same as feminism, but for men (totally missing that a movement for mens rights is about as useful as a movement for able bodied rights).
It's actually about reasserting mens "rights" to have their needs and wants put above everyone else's.

Johnny Depp is their absolute wet dream. Mega rich, world famous white man with much younger less well known actress but he's the victim. Men need rights! The right for women to STFU about their life experience if it makes men look bad. The right to give a woman a slap if she doesn't behave how she should.

Yay.

I’d add that MRAs don’t actually give a shit about issues affecting men - like toxic masculinity - all they want is to piggy-back onto anything that overwhelmingly affects women and complain that nobody is thinking of the men.

Please explain how Amber was using DARVO in a way that makes sense when she was in a less powerful position.
What did she gain from it? Why was she abusing him? And why did she need to use DARVO to continue her abuse?

I don’t understand the premise that whites women are always the victims. Always the abused and never the abuser. That they should always be given the benefit of the doubt. I can’t get my head around that as being the starting point.

In what sense?

Why are you bringing race into a conversation about two white people in an abusive relationship?

I don’t think that is the starting point, ever. I don’t think anyone has ever said that women never ever abuse.

I've been the victim of DV and I am as far from a MRA and you could be.
You didn't watch the trial yet you say you saw abuse from him towards her. None the other way round..? This proves you haven't delved very deeply into it.
All this is exhausting. This is about people. Abusers and the abused. Someone who wanted their story out there and wanted to hold their ex accountable. And that happened.
I'm afraid you are very wrong.
It will all come out soon anyway.