To be concerned that the Depp/Heard trial has put off genuine DV victims from coming forward?

[PetraBP]

The Depp/Heard trial was troubling to me.

On the one hand, people do sometimes make false allegations, especially after relationship breakups.

On the other hand, dragging someone to court for alleging domestic violence might deter some women from reporting it.

Assuming the court got it right and Depp was not a perpetrator, how could he have handled the situation so that it would not put domestic violence victims off coming forward for fear of being sued?

Worrying all round.

Hi Tiddy, I'm guessing Amber is doing interviews quickly before Depps team get an injunction.

Just a hunch, based off the Cardi B defamation case.
Cardi B won $3m + against a youtuber for defamation. The youtuber posted horrendous videos and said really malicious things about Cardi B
(I won't repeat them here)

So, after Cardi B won, her team took out an injunction, forcing the youtuber to remove the videos and also never to repeat the things she said again.
The youtuber is appealing. If the appeal is successful, then the injunction will be removed, but until then, they cannot say any of the defamation statements.

Presumably, Amber is taking the opportunity before an injunction is taken out.

I think.

Yes I have encountered (work with so on regular contact with them) a few people diagnosed with NPD

Others who have traits but that’s quite different

I think generally celebrities are more narcissistic than the average person.

He may have been a musician first but he didn't succeed as a musician and I have to say I don't think he's terribly good. So maybe there's an element there of self-belief not matching reality!

Hi Tiddy, I'm guessing Amber is doing interviews quickly before Depps team get an injunction.

That's interesting. Could be. Does that mean she can be banned from mentioning the court case at all?

"Hi Tiddy, I'm guessing Amber is doing interviews quickly before Depps team get an injunction. "

Course she is. Except it's already been proven she a liar. She's insulted the judge, jury and the general public.

She's doubling down on the defamation. She's has multiple chances. She's taking the bloody piss now

@Aspiringmatriarch

That's interesting. Could be. Does that mean she can be banned from mentioning the court case at

Well she could but we've already seen it.

I know he played in a band, I know he part owned a club and has always been quite the businessman from a young age but this isn’t discussed as much as doesn’t really go with his image and I also know he said on a few occasions he wouldn’t return to playing in a band just because his status would allow him to but he was at one time more grounded

I'm not sure, it's a real grey area if she can talk about the court case.

In Cardi B case, the youtuber cannot repeat the defemation statements shecsaud about Cardi B. I imagine it would be difficult talking about the court case without mentioning the statements.

So in Anber case, if they take out an injunction, she could not mention sexual assault, domestic abuse or the Hollywood industry protecting men.
It would be really difficult talking about the court case without mentioning those terms.

"I know he played in a band, I know he part owned a club and has always been quite the businessman from a young age but this isn’t discussed as much as doesn’t really go with his image and I also know he said on a few occasions he wouldn’t return to playing in a band just because his status would allow him to but he was at one time more grounded"

A heard apologist. His life absolutely is what is was before she entered it.

Nope. She's a fraction of his life and talent. She hated his music "old men playing guitars"

No his life is quite different

Isn’t that why he went to court ….

Suck my dick Johhny. This is how survivors talk to their abuser. Said no one ever, unless your the narc and present this in court like you're the victim. Get real

Suck my dick Johhny. This is how survivors talk to their abuser. Said no one ever, unless your the narc and present this in court like you're the victim. Get real

Suck my dick Johhny. This is how survivors talk to their abuser. Said no one ever, unless your the narc and present this in court like you're the victim. Get real

For some reason MN isn't letting lr post the the link to the audio. But it's sick my dick Johnny, suck my dick. Hahahaaaaa

No one is going to be telling you it’s respectable terminology and to me (British) I find it an odd term for a woman to use but have heard it used as slang in the US

I don’t think a victim acts in a particular way some fight back some provoke but that comes back to how does a victim respond/what is their behaviour and that is individual and can change over the course of a relationship

How is that any different from him calling her an over the hill stripper or whatever the phrase was, and ranting about her 'pretending to be authoritative'? Calling her the c word etc? I mean, if we're playing the 'real victim' game again. Or we could just accept that people are complicated and everyone is different. You can't take a few conversations as representative of a whole relationship anyway.

In response to the OP, yes I'm concerned and anecdotally it does seem that suing for defamation is the new threat being made by abusers.

In recordings I listened they were both verbally abusive to each other although - bearing in mind these recordings are only a snap shot - in the recordings I listened to Heard never backed down and was on the verbal attack much more. One audio transcript I read she twisted his words repeatedly during the conversation. During the various recordings although Depp did resort to returning insults was much more placatory. In one transcript I read he pleaded that if either of them felt annoyed with the other to try and not turn it into a fight but address the problems. He also asked her to leave him alone when things got heated and she never would.

However, my focus on this case is how her physical and sexual abuse claims do not stand up to scrutiny. I conclude from that she is lying and wrongly framed Depp to be a physical and sexual abuser whilst she did nothing wrong. I think this is a wicked thing to do. I still can’t get my head around that she could describe the most vicious beatings on the stand and then produce photographs showing barely any marks. I felt gaslit. Two witnesses described her talking about a situation that had no relation to reality. An estate manager said how she was telling him Johnny had just beat her yet he saw
zero injuries on her face. A stylist said Heard exclaimed isn’t it crazy how she did an interview with two black eyes when the stylist had been with her for a few hours of that day before seeing the make up artist and saw no injuries throughout. She seemed to gaslight people.

That man had the patience of a saint

@TiddyTidTwo the recordings I listened to made me think exactly that. I was exhausted listening to her. She verbally attacked constantly and never listened to his side.

"How is that any different from him calling her an over the hill stripper or whatever the phrase was, and ranting about her 'pretending to be authoritative'? Calling her the c word etc? I mean, if we're playing the 'real victim' game again. Or we could just accept that people are complicated and everyone is different. You can't take a few conversations as representative of a whole relationship anyway"

This is true @Aspiringmatriarch it's easy to focus on a conversation or two.

Now the trial is over, and looking back on the UK trial and her behaviour now I think the whole picture is forming.

Oh and as @Aspiringmatriarch knows I have a very clumsy posting style so when I get passionate it gets worse, I don't mean to offend!

@TiddyTidTwo the recordings I listened to made me think exactly that. I was exhausted listening to her. She verbally attacked constantly and never listened to his side.

God I know @Friars23 imagine that every day for years. One of johnnys friends said it wasn't just the last 6 years, it was 11 years because of the relationship too

Tiddy, any response to this from Johnny's GQ interview?

He's openly admitting hitting the location manager on City of Lies, Gregg Brooks.
Will you now acknowledge Gregg as a victim?

It's actually the way it was portrayed in the media and how much the public saw that concerned me.
I trust the court made the right decision. But I felt very uncomfortable with the constant negative media attention/constant memes/trail by social media Amber Heard received.
Someone recently said it was similar to the media attention Britney Spears received when she went through a clearly difficult time.
I think it will bring more men forward but women backwards.

"Will you now acknowledge Gregg as a victim?"

I will once he's proven it in the court, absolutely.