To feel sad for Prince Harry

[OldManRivers]

Have been looking at the photos today of Harry in the car being driven from the airport in America back to his home. He looks so sad. It must be very difficult for him to attend a huge family occasion like that with his role drastically changed, and to see all of his family but now he's on the sidelines popping in so very sporadically.

Also I can't help but think he must feel sad to think his children won't grow up around their cousins, and extended family. Meghan doesn't have any family except her mother so they don't have any in America either.

Originally he and Meghan wanted to carry on being part of the royal machine and do appearances etc but also have some independence so it's not as though this life was their original plan, where it seems like they're sidelined and alienated. AIBU to think regardless of what's gone on it must be very hard for him to be in another country, away from his ailing grandmother who he is very close to, and feel like a bit of an outcast?

"I'm not aware anything's been announced officially, though, which may be telling in itself"

Not really. Why would the royals 'officially announce' private family visits?

The queen has 10 other great grandchildren. Do we expect 'announcements' about when and where she met Lucas Tindall Or Sienna Mapelli Mozzi?

Surely people won't just keep paying for/watching the same old rehashed whingeing?

I wouldn't have thought so, no; the real money comes from finding fresh dirt to throw, which as said could easily lead to the RF being a little cautious ahead of the book release

There seems little point in putting on a public scene of being all pals once more - even if it was true - then finding themselves trashed again with even worse "personal truths". Better, surely, to stay non-committal until they see how things pan out

He chose the celebrity lifestyle and the big bucks that go with it. And trashed his family in the process. He can enjoy it now.

He’s probably too busy on the phone to Oprah to care anyway. He must have collected new fodder for his interviews in this visit.

Why would the royals 'officially announce' private family visits?

A fair point, IcedPurple, though the RF aren't above publicising things which might reasonably be regarded as private if they think there's good PR to be gained

But not this time apparently

But he is a member of the British Royal Family! Not having a title doesn’t erase your family connections!

Because there is a lot that some of you want to say but arent able to. Some see it and some relate to it

Can someone explain what this cryptic statement means?

I've never heard any sort of 'publicity' about the queen meeting with any of her greatgrandchildren, something which presumably happens quite frequently, at least going by how comfortable Louis looked with her on the balcony.

Why are Archie and Lili so much more special than the other 10?

I wouldn't have thought so, no; the real money comes from finding fresh dirt to throw, which as said could easily lead to the RF being a little cautious ahead of the book release

That's exactly why the other Royals will be keeping them at arms length. Discuss nothing more than the weather with them.

How could they possibly be trusted. It hard when you have a normal family gossip but he's another level something else. It's not just telling everyone at the bingo, it's telling your boss and the company shareholders!

Meghan cut off her own family because they engaged with the press around her wedding. I think her father was wrong to allow the embarrassing photos to be taken of him. I cringe at her half siblings behaviour. But I also marvel at how she and Harry think speaking to the press about his family is any different from that. In my mind it’s much worse because they are both more credible and media savvy than the Markles.

I hate to see families torn apart like this. Am happy they spent time with the Queen and in their cottage. I wish they could all heal these relationships with both families.

A reference to the suspicion that there is an unacknowledged sub-text to criticism of/antipathy towards Meghan and Harry, namely that she is a woman of colour, and that he married a woman of colour. I think?

so does Harry.

not just wearing a Nazi uniform (and yes, that does count as racist bcos Nazi policies re exterminating Jews, Slavs etc were directly about race) but also calling an enlisted man “our little P**i friend”. That was truly disgusting behaviour from him.

Princess Michael of Kent - maybe I am not in possession of all of the facts. Whatever her intent and however awful she is, I think Meghan would never have seen the broach on her coat had the press not made hay of it? It was a large event, her coat would have been taken from her as she entered.

In fact, why did anyone even take that picture of her? I think it was meant to cause pain and drama for entertainment purposes.

She was attending the the Queen's annual Christmas banquet at Buckingham Palace - an event where she knew there would be significant media interest and press photographers, and where she knew her relative’s mixed race wife would also be present. She wasn’t just going for a cup of tea at her best friend’s house and was suddenly papped unaware. She without a doubt will have paid great attention to her clothing, accessories and appearance. Whether the media alighted on the brooch to cause drama is completely besides the point. It was an intended remark aimed at MM.

I’m not suggesting anything about her intent. I have no idea and never heard of her before this brooch incident.

But I am confident that publishing that picture was intended to hurt Meghan. For our entertainment.

Right , and sorry for derailing the thread but I really have to say it, About the black moor brooch .
some people just take what they want and leave the rest ,
Blackmoor arts are still being sold in Venice , and it has a long history in Sicily, it’s everywhere in Toarmina , you can’t miss it.
moors back then we’re not seen as slaves because they practically conquered the Iberian peninsula, and Sicily . the black moor of Sicily is actually a wealthy merchant.

yes there are some very racist black moor art, it’s something that is clearly dated and a very bad choice to wear, specially coming from someone who had a very unpleasant racist incident in the past.

It’s enough to show that she’s not that she wore the brooch anywhere, at all. We don’t need more really.

I just don’t think the surrounding press attention was kind or helpful. I think it did more harm than one ignorant old woman.

If she wore it purposely to make a statement and hurt Meghan, then she achieved her goal with the help of the media.

Agree. He's not off the hook either, and given he's had that family as role models it isn't any wonder. Seems to be the same form of doublethink that believes it's fine and dandy to lecture to everyone else that they have a responsibility to preserve the environment. Ordinary people can do the hard stuff and make the sacrifices. They, meantime, are in the practice of wailing over dead rhinos when they've been pictured draped over the carcass of the buffalo they've just killed, are strongly suspected of killing endangered hen harriers at Sandringham (both Harry again), and for most of the rest of them regularly shooting wildlife, and gallivanting everywhere in private jets, helicopters and gas-guzzling motorcades.

Hypocrisy, I think is what they call it. They are pioneers of conservation nowhere except in their own minds. The cause needs some credible ambassadors as people are going to be laughing at this.

As for racism - 'We are not a racist family' is a pretty hollow statement given their demonstrable track-record of precisely that. On this score, I can far more readily believe Meghan Markle.

Harry and Meghan did one single interview. The royal family have been leaking private and nasty stories about them for years, including planting a spy in their own household, and making up lies about them to the press.

The RF are the one who run to the press at every opportunity, not Harry and Meghan.

The RF are the ones who can't be trusted as they leak everything to the press, not Harry and Meghan.

And Thomas Markle is the one who ghosted Meghan, not the other way round. His behaviour has been incredibly abusive and stalkery (not just explicitly threatening his daughter, but turning up on his ex-wife's driveway with a camera crew, just sheer stalker behaviour). Stop acting like she cut him off because he cooperated with the press once.

Well no, you couldn't. William doesn't 'make TV content' for starters. He has appeared in some programming, but he doesn't 'make content'. He doesn't have to, as he has no need to pursue commercial projects.

Wrong as always.

William pursued creating a documentary series about mental health for years, had meetings to pitch it to various networks including Netflix, and it was rejected. The BBC ended up greenlighting William's documentary. William is also credited as producer on a documentary about Earthshot.

frankly I don't see a lot of interest in a documentary just about the athletes.
Just because you find inspirational disabled athletes boring and are only interested in celebrity gossip, doesn't mean nobody is interested in sport.

They looked isolated and stressed during the service.They got their walk up the aisle but it was more about quarantine rather than privilege.
The close family relationships of the Royal family must also be claustrophobic and difficult. These aren't necessarily arrangements of choice as there's just so few people they can trust.
I think everyone wishes them luck although their interview was disastrous for them.