To feel sad for Prince Harry

[OldManRivers]

Have been looking at the photos today of Harry in the car being driven from the airport in America back to his home. He looks so sad. It must be very difficult for him to attend a huge family occasion like that with his role drastically changed, and to see all of his family but now he's on the sidelines popping in so very sporadically.

Also I can't help but think he must feel sad to think his children won't grow up around their cousins, and extended family. Meghan doesn't have any family except her mother so they don't have any in America either.

Originally he and Meghan wanted to carry on being part of the royal machine and do appearances etc but also have some independence so it's not as though this life was their original plan, where it seems like they're sidelined and alienated. AIBU to think regardless of what's gone on it must be very hard for him to be in another country, away from his ailing grandmother who he is very close to, and feel like a bit of an outcast?

He couldnt' have it both ways though could he? He couldn't be closely tied in with senior Royals and do Oprah interviews.

Regardless of whether his decision was right it no doubt came with benefits and disadvantages. So did repeated scathing interviews about his family. I assume he realised this, or he was at best naive to think he could pick and chose the bits he wanted.

No not one shred of sympathy for him. He made his choice.

I feel sorry for him in respect of the fact that he's clearly damaged and struggling and that it probably relates to the death of his mother. Who wouldn't be fucked up losing their primary parent at such a young age?

I think that dreadful Oprah interview will prove to be the turning point, people who were very much on their side seemed to sway with that. Their behaviour was despicable and I don't know how you claw back from that.

But as others have said, he's made his bed at this point and he needs to lie in it. I think in MM he found a strong woman who would give him direction he felt he really needed. It's arguable if they've then both gone in the right direction. I suspect not. They've alienated themselves from both of their families. Their children will grow up isolated in that respect. I doubt they'll thank them for it tbh.

I think, although Harry made the choice to relocate and seek a new life with his wife in America, I wonder if, when back in the ‘fold’ (however briefly) and he experiences again the way of life he lived from birth until just a couple of years ago, Harry feels any regret or sadness at what he has lost.

At least H&M didn't subject their children to an endless dull concert under intense public scrutiny. Maybe he thinks all sacrifices are worthwhile to protect his children's privacy - and I can fully understand that.

I do agree with you, OP. However, it isn't a popular opinion on here.

I still think the Oprah Winfrey interview was a dreadful mistake and I do hope that he pulls the plug on this dreadful book that is being written. Not holding my breath though.

I've always thought Harry was troubled, and I still think that, even though I know that that won't be a popular opinion here either. Maybe it is why he keeps making dodgy decisions and has burned so many bridges.

Meghan I suspect had little idea what she was getting into when marrying into our royal family. It didn't go well, and the racism flung at her by the press (and by the brooch incident with Princess Michael) was constant and dreadful. I really can't actually blame her for wanting out. Some of the senior royals could have done much more to get control of the situation at a much earlier stage.

She was, however, almost certainly the driving force behind the disastrous Oprah interview, and that is a big stumbling block now. However much I do have some empathy for her, that was virtually unforgivable.

So mixed feelings here. I'd like to see Harry back at times as I do feel he had a lot to offer, if only he could be relied on to keep his foot out of his mouth when he speaks unscripted. I wouldn't object to Meghan being with him if she could stomach it, but I wouldn't blame her if she didn't want to. There must be absolutely no more Oprah shit though, and as she is friends with Oprah then I am not sure she can be relied upon there.

I'm sure Harry's extremely happy with keeping a low profile! They can't win - if they'd have been everywhere, everyone would have said that they overshadowed the event and were courting publicity. It's also good that they didn't get to play a big role - since they're not working royals and they'll be less able to capitalise on their titles for $$$. It did seem rather a joyless event for them, but perhaps they had a nice time behind the scenes.

it is also true that they are private individuals who do not take money from the Queen and do not write "memoirs', give interviews to Oprah, have Scobie as spokesperson or sell their lives to Netflix for a TV series.

What complete claptrap.

Beatrice and Eugenie lived in royal properties until very recently, and one of them still does.

Zara lives in a royal property.

Lots of them live in royal properties for which they pay peppercorn rent, or no rent.

Beatrice and Eugenie had their security paid for until they were well into adulthood, and now their security is paid for by Andrew which almost certainly means the Queen is paying for it, since Andrew has no money.

Peter Philips has flogged stuff on TV by trading on his royal title.

Zara and her husband are always in the press and giving interviews, posing for Hello, etc. Her husband has revealed pretty private things about the RF to press.

They all leak to favoured journalists. Anyone who thinks otherwise, I have a bridge to sell you.

sell their lives to Netflix for a TV series.
Oh wow I had no idea there was a Netflix TV series about their lives! Link to where I can watch it, please.

It seems both his sons have inherited some of these traits. They're not attractive. No wonder Camilla reportedly lives under a different roof.

Really interesting posts from @MarieIVanArkleStinks and @JemimaPuddlegoose

Why on earth did Camilla actually marry Charles? I can't see what's in it for her. She wasn't exactly lonely or on the bones of her arse. She had a perfectly good life, from what I could see.

Peter Philips has flogged stuff on TV by trading on his royal title.

What royal title?

Actually, you've put much of it a lot better than I did.

I think their visit went off as well as could be hoped and I hope that will be how it goes in future, there's been too much drama out of all this.

I don't know if he's sad but he defintely looked nervous and uncomfortable at times during the thanksgiving service. I must admit I do wonder if he and Meghan spoke a single word to William and Catherine during their visit? I wouldn't be surprised if everything was arranged so they never met face to face.

I wonder if Harry regrets the Oprah interview at all? The fact that he's publishing a potentially explosive memoir soon suggests maybe he doesn't.

Prince Charles has given private interviews where he was scathing about Diana and very critical of the Queen's mothering

I wouldn't say private exactly; the Jonathan Dimbleby iterview and authorised book were as public as they could possibly be

And in response to the PP who asked whether he too should be ostracised I'd say yes, though not necessarily for this. It appears some are quite relaxed about having a paedophile apologist as King ... personally I'm not

You want him to have privacy yet click on every story written about them and read threads too. Supply and demand.

Its all Meghan's fault! I mean look, she is encouraging him to write a book! Maybe its also Meghan's fault that they did the Oprah interview. And its Meghan's fault that he is unhappy. What else did she do? Help me out.

You're almost there.... what else is wrong with her? Come on say it.
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P.s I am sure you're mixed race or have mixed race DCs or at a minimum, your next door neighbour's cousin is mixed race.

Peter Philips has flogged stuff on TV by trading on his royal title.

No he hasn't. He doesn't have a royal title and nor does his sister Zara. Maybe you mean royal connections, which do open some doors, but it isn't really the same thing. Their mother just happens to be the Queen's daughter.

When did they slag off the Queen?

Harry said that his dad (Charles) was a shit dad because he had been raised by shit parents himself (ie the Queen and Phillip)

I feel bad for them mainly because of the venom directed at them. No one regardless of how annoying they are deserves the spite and vilification. If they manage to stay together they will be fine in the long term I think. I am not a fan of anyone in the Royal family regardless.

He's 37 not "in his 40s".

The fact he didn' say anything negative about the Queen seems calculated to me. I imagine most of the decisions and "culture" of the family comes from her - directly or indirectly. But he presumably knows the public (generally) like her a lot - Charles not so much.

In any case, if you publically say lots of bad things about your family - one that is specifically known to be private and value (misplaced?) loyalty above all else, you can't be too surpised that they won't run at your with open arms. Even if the things you said were true.

No he hasn't. He doesn't have a royal title and nor does his sister Zara. Maybe you mean royal connections, which do open some doors, but it isn't really the same thing.

LOL then why's he appearing on TV in China, on a replica Buckingham Palace set, with a fake royal crest, with a voiceover saying this British Royal Family member endorses this brand?