To feel sad for Prince Harry

[OldManRivers]

Have been looking at the photos today of Harry in the car being driven from the airport in America back to his home. He looks so sad. It must be very difficult for him to attend a huge family occasion like that with his role drastically changed, and to see all of his family but now he's on the sidelines popping in so very sporadically.

Also I can't help but think he must feel sad to think his children won't grow up around their cousins, and extended family. Meghan doesn't have any family except her mother so they don't have any in America either.

Originally he and Meghan wanted to carry on being part of the royal machine and do appearances etc but also have some independence so it's not as though this life was their original plan, where it seems like they're sidelined and alienated. AIBU to think regardless of what's gone on it must be very hard for him to be in another country, away from his ailing grandmother who he is very close to, and feel like a bit of an outcast?

“Anyway, I think maybe PH would feel a bit sad if he saw all the kids interacting knowing that Archie and Lilibet won't have that but it is his decision to bring them up in another country so he has to accept the consequences of that.”

But that’s not the thing though is it? Because lots of people emigrate and then there are family reunions, social media, etc where cousins interact and keep connected. In this case it’s estrangement between two brothers that even if they lived next door to each other the children / cousins would miss out on each other.

It comes out this autumn, or did you miss the memo?

Wrong as always.

Harry's memoir currently has no release date.

Clearly you're the one who missed the memo.

Sad how you can't get basic facts right. Doesn't help your credibility.

But that’s not the thing though is it? Because lots of people emigrate and then there are family reunions, social media, etc where cousins interact and keep connected. In this case it’s estrangement between two brothers that even if they lived next door to each other the children / cousins would miss out on each other.

I don't know. I think if H and M lived in the UK their kids could mix with the kids of their cousins and I don't actually believe that W and K would stop their kids from mixing. But Harry has been pretty clear that he does not like visiting the UK and so all of that is pie in the sky.

Harry does not like visiting his home country unless we the tax payer foot the bill.
Their choice all the way - they did not get what they wanted so threw their toys out of the pram.

Sad for all involved that a family dispute has been aired so publically by one side for financial gain - it is immature and does not paint anyone in a good way. Some come of worse than others

Everyone saying he got what he asked for, it was his choice..he was pushed!

The media going through his wife's personal life, sharing her letters, racial undertones etc
Kate got it bad in the beginning but she Meghan got it far worse...he wanted them out of the spotlight and I cant blame him

Doesnt change the fact that is his family and he should be able to see them whenever he likes.

How did the press get her letters?

She or the recipient gave them to them. Who actually writes letters these days, people communicate by email & phone.

I don't believe they were pushed out, they wanted a half in half out and were told No. They choose to leave.

Two or three things going on possibly?

H&M left due to racist British press

H&M left due to internal family friction

H&M left to seek a new freer more rewarding life elsewhere

Maybe all true. But sad that the family have fallen apart.

@JemimaPuddlegoose can you elaborate further on the purpose / benefit of the RF smearing H&M in the press and why HMQ would sanction this on her vulnerable grandson?

Seems that they stopped them from mixing this weekend?

The Cambridges had a really busy weekend and probably needed some serious chillout time in front of the telly. Trooping the Colour Thursday, Service Friday, Concert Saturday night, Pageant Sunday. Plus who knows what formal lunch or dinners they attended too.

W&K were probably loathed to have them getting dragged of to Uncle Harry's in-between those events.

Why didn't Harry stay another few days to see the Cambridges?

Oh and they were in Wales on Saturday afternoon.

I'm exhausted thinking about it

I don’t feel sorry for him, he choose to drag his family through the mud on server occasions and act like a spoilt entitled brat.

The Cambridges had a really busy weekend and probably needed some serious chillout time in front of the telly. Trooping the Colour Thursday, Service Friday, Concert Saturday night, Pageant Sunday. Plus who knows what formal lunch or dinners they attended too.
W&K were probably loathed to have them getting dragged of to Uncle Harry's in-between those events.
Why didn't Harry stay another few days to see the Cambridges?

Exactly. I bet the kids were absolutely knackered as well.

A busy weekend watching something, watching something else, watching another thing, and being fully catered for. Exhausting!

@stuntbubbles they're not just casually watching though are they, they're on show the whole time having to pretend to have a great time even if they're not, adhering to protocol, making small talk with whoever they are told to and hoping the children badge. Not really relaxing!

You do realise the part of California where Harry and Meghan live is a good 90 miles away from Hollywood, right?

They live nowhere near Los Angles.

Are you saying they're NOT trying to make it in the entertainment industry then? Because it seems very clear that's what the poster meant when the referred to Hollywood.

They aren't just watching, it's the prep time hair and makeup done, the travel time, the keeping the kids happy. Everyone watching you, making sure the smile never drops because that's the photo that will end up in the press.
Getting to Cardiff and back on Saturday. The kids had a late night on Saturday too.

Really it just sounds exhausting. Great memories but exhausting - a bit like your own wedding.

Do I feel sad that a multi millionaire is living the life that he & his partner chose doing very little that any of us would recognise as work yet making even more millions.

Mmmm, just let me think about it.

No

90 miles is nothing in California, especially for Uber wealthy individuals who can fly in and out of LAX via private air. There is a small airport near Montecito with plenty of capacity for private jets/ helicopters. In fact, I believe that's what they used when they flew via private jet back from UK. So environmentally conscious.

I think with respect to H and M the phrase living in Hollywood really refers to their commercial engagement with the entertainment industry. Oprah has a home in Montecito. I don't think anyone would quibble about saying she lives in Hollywood. While not strictly true, she is part of the entertainment industry.

I think William may have had a better outcome by being immersed in the seemingly solid and low key Middleton family from his teenage years - an opportunity of normality, healing and emotional stability that Harry didn’t have

Ain't that the truth. For all the sneering that was done at the Middletons, there's something to be said for normal people who know how to behave

And I know it's a small point, but why do people keep insisting H or M did "only one interview", as if repeating a falsehood will somehow make it more convincing? The Tom Bradby thing in South Africa was at least one more, and that's without the stories fed to Scobie, Gayle King and god knows who else

And I know it's a small point, but why do people keep insisting H or M did "only one interview"

To be fair that one and only was horrendous and spectacularly back fired, and that is what you get when you surround yourself with a paid echo chamber and are not given good advice. The interview was the start of their downfall, clearly they haven't learnt anything as we now have the book to look forward to....it is desperately sad the pure stupidity of it.

The Oprah interview sealed their fate here in the UK for evermore and will never be forgotten

Oprah did well out of the interview, Harry not so much. Nobody trusts them now.

Agree. And the book will only make it worse. I don't know how they can expect anyone to talk to them about anything other than the weather! With the Netflix camera's following them everywhere its clear that everything is up for sale. It baffles me how anyone can feel sorry for someone so rich, so privileged that doors open because of his birth, and who's had so many public temper tantrums. If you want to have a look at poisonous press...maybe a trawl through what was said about Camilla is in order.

Ain't that the truth. For all the sneering that was done at the Middletons, there's something to be said for normal people who know how to behave

Gary Middleton being a pimp and drug dealer who beats up women in public, made his money from God's knows what dodgy and unsavoury sources, and spills gossip to the tabloids.

Pippa Middleton's gun scandal.

Pippa Middleton's desperate and embarrassing social climbing and quest to find a titled husband, leading one family to tell the press their son was not dating her and had nothing to do with her.

The whole Nazi marshmallow thing, James Middleton's many failed careers, and attempt to grab the limelight solely on his royal connections.

The entire family exploiting their royal connections like billy-o in the most vulgar and nakedly self-serving way possible.

Carole Middleton constantly leaking to the press and betraying the RF but revealing private royal conversations to her favoured journalists.

Carole Middleton's own employees going to the press about what an abusive boss she was.

The financial dodginess around Party Pieces.

Party Pieces exploiting royal events such as Archie's birth to flog cheap crap (after leaking nasty stories about Archie's mum to the press).

Using royal money to conduct expensive renovations for a house (eg a new driveway) by claiming it was necessary for security as William would be a regular guest, then immediately selling the place.

The whole tacky "Rival Court" thing complete with fake Boxing Day shoot.

And of course encouraging Kate to spend her youth stalking William (following him to the same small village in South America, dropping out of her university at the last minute when it was revealed he wasn't going there as reported and being forced to write a formal letter of apology by her school, sabotaging a fashion student's showcase design so she could prance around half-naked instead of wearing the outfit she'd been given) because the family raised their daughters to never work but only pursue rich husbands.

You appear to have very unusual ideas as to what constitutes "knowing how to behave."

With the Netflix camera's following them everywhere its clear that everything is up for sale.

Proof?

Oh and I notice the poster who was banging on making all kinds of wild claims about Harry having announced his book would be "an explosive tell-all" and that they were filming a reality show hasn't been back since I asked them to provide a source.

Isn't it funny how certain usernames vanish (only to be replaced by new usernames saying the same thing) the second they're asked for proof of their many wild claims.