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to hope that this is BJ's life from now on

90 replies

GreenLunchBox · 05/06/2022 19:32

This was last night as he arrived for the concert twitter.com/allymc29/status/1533205190404460556?t=VYkv1kg6OGBFfrHkzSklGA&s=19

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AppleandRhubarbTart · 05/06/2022 21:55

Westfacing · 05/06/2022 21:45

Johnson being booed spontaneously by patriotic monarchists at St Paul's must have come as a bit of a shock - it wasn't a football match or a picket line.

Oh yeah, and you can tell that from the attempts at responses by pro-Johnson people online. When he got booed in Scotland, Manchester etc it was no big deal and didn't really signify anything much because that was expected. So there was no need to bother about it. This is something quite different, and so the conspiracy theories, tone policing and full on whataboutery have been wheeled out.

Newestname002 · 05/06/2022 21:59

My goodness - that's really clear booing isn't it! Has any other serving U.K. PM been booed like this before? I'm not sure even Tony Blair was... 🌹

heidihigh · 05/06/2022 22:08

Let's hope so. Awful, arrogant man

EatSleepReplete · 05/06/2022 22:12

LivingOnAnIsland · 05/06/2022 20:41

i don't think booing is ever a good way to make a point - whether it be at Boris or at Prince Harry or the England match yesterday (if you didn't watch it, Hungarian children at the England Hungary match were booing as the England players took the knee). I think booing belittles the booer, and highlights the fact that they are unable to put their point of view forward in a rational manner. Childish behaviour.

How would you suggest people should put their point forward then? Given that it's not possible to actually speak with the PM, & he ignores his own party, the news, & political opinion generally. And doesn't appear to give a rat's ass what people think about him - he's proved this in numerous ways over the years, by his lying, his willingness to use, discard & deny people (including his own partners & children. By the apparent ease with which he is willing to bend the rules to fit his own needs - for example the recent change to the rules that MPs don't have to resign if they're found to have breached the ministerial code, but can now just apologise or temporarily lose some pay instead... how much more brazen can he get. Caught red handed but doesn't give a toss what the electorate thinks of him. And his own party are all too much in his thrall, too scared of losing their position, or too apathetic to do anything.

But yes, let's all just write nice polite letters to Number 10. That'll definitely help.

Nat6999 · 05/06/2022 22:13

By the end of this month one way or another he will be on his way, more & more Mp's are realising that the party is going down the tubes with him in charge. Either there will be a leadership challenge or he will think the country loves him & call a General Election he is so delusional.

ChrisReasBathEggs · 05/06/2022 22:16

LivingOnAnIsland · 05/06/2022 20:41

i don't think booing is ever a good way to make a point - whether it be at Boris or at Prince Harry or the England match yesterday (if you didn't watch it, Hungarian children at the England Hungary match were booing as the England players took the knee). I think booing belittles the booer, and highlights the fact that they are unable to put their point of view forward in a rational manner. Childish behaviour.

I think it is still quite clear he isn't popular though, whether it is childish or not.

According to the DM, he was also booed in a restaurant he visited too and then he gave the booers the middle finger. That's very mature for a PM. Although I do take everything the DM says with a pinch of salt.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/06/2022 22:23

ThreeonaHill · 05/06/2022 20:27

I don't think it will make any difference to him, he doesn't care what the insignificant little people think, but hopefully it will help this MPs realise that they won't be re- elected unless they get rid

I can't see them being re-elected with or without PM Johnson. The Conservative party have destroyed the UK and there's nowhere left for them to hide.

chaosmaker · 05/06/2022 22:31

I fear there is no accounting for stupidity and the will get in again when we are allowed another election. People with the by elections coming up, please vote them out in your area. Not that the opposition of any parties are great and we all know what happened the last time the lib dems got a sniff of power.....

MsMcGonagall · 05/06/2022 22:36

George Osborne got booed at the 2012 Olympics, that was quite memorable.

LivingOnAnIsland · 06/06/2022 08:35

ClaudiusTheGod · 05/06/2022 20:49

No, you’re wrong. It’s not childish. It’s the behaviour of adults in a crowd who are expressing their disapproval in an extremely simple, spontaneous and civilised way. No swearing, no profanity, no violence. Sends the message clearly and safely.

No, I'm not wrong, that is what I think - and you have no right to tell me what I think is wrong. You apparently think that it's right, and you are entitled to your opinion in the same way that I am entitled to mine.

LivingOnAnIsland · 06/06/2022 08:38

Cornettoninja · 05/06/2022 20:57

You think a crowd of people should organise a spokesperson to approach their target and put forward a list of reasoned bullet points on why they’re displeased with their presence?

I’m willing to bet that 90% of the booers could articulate their feelings about Boris Johnson if asked directly but in a crowd I think booing is pretty succinct don’t you?

I don't have to find an alternative. Booing is childish behaviour which is only suitable for a pantomime.

LivingOnAnIsland · 06/06/2022 08:40

GreenLunchBox · 05/06/2022 21:10

I'd bet my last dollar that this person actually approved of the booing of the taking a knee Wink

I beg your pardon? You're accusing me of approving of booing of taking the knee?

LivingOnAnIsland · 06/06/2022 08:45

ChompChamp · 05/06/2022 21:19

As appalling as I think anyone booing taking-the-knee is, it’s usually English fans booing their own players for doing so, with the backing of Boris Johnson, Priti Patel and alike.

Makes the booing of Johnson quite poetic.

So is booing appalling or not? I assume you think it's acceptable if it fits with your politics and unacceptable when it doesn't? It's childish behaviour.

countrygirl99 · 06/06/2022 08:49

LivingOnAnIsland · 06/06/2022 08:35

No, I'm not wrong, that is what I think - and you have no right to tell me what I think is wrong. You apparently think that it's right, and you are entitled to your opinion in the same way that I am entitled to mine.

Perhaps you could suggest some alternatives because MPs like mine just send cut and paste responses and make rather pathetic excuses for him. I'm in a very sage Tory constituency and the comments on the MPs Facebook page have been 100% anti Johnson recently so it will be very interesting to see how he votes this afternoon.

AppleandRhubarbTart · 06/06/2022 08:49

The thing is, you can clutch your pearls all you want, but people are responding to a system that doesn't provide meaningful outlets to challenge the person in charge of the country. Which is rather important in a democracy.

So for all that you tell us you don't need to find an alternative, the fact that you haven't says it all.

LivingOnAnIsland · 06/06/2022 08:57

countrygirl99 · 06/06/2022 08:49

Perhaps you could suggest some alternatives because MPs like mine just send cut and paste responses and make rather pathetic excuses for him. I'm in a very sage Tory constituency and the comments on the MPs Facebook page have been 100% anti Johnson recently so it will be very interesting to see how he votes this afternoon.

No, I don't have to suggest alternatives. BJ was elected as PM and has made some spectacular mistakes. It's happened before and it will happen again. Booing makes those objecting to the mistakes look like they are children at a pantomime. If your MP doesn't respond to you in a way that you like then you need to find a way to complain that doesn't make you look like you are a seven year old.

AppleandRhubarbTart · 06/06/2022 09:00

What this comes down to is a belief that it's better for a PM to evade meaningful challenge than it is for the electorate to engage in a mode of peaceful protest. People are of course entitled to that opinion, but it shouldn't come as a shock when it's met with derision.

GreenLunchBox · 06/06/2022 09:07

Apparently he got booed at the restaurant his son works in before the jubilee and did a rude hand gesture to the diners metro.co.uk/2022/06/05/boris-johnson-booed-at-trendy-london-restaurant-where-his-son-works-16771771/?ito=article.mweb.share.top.link

That's our prime minister 😳

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rnsaslkih · 06/06/2022 09:09

l’ll start by saying I didn’t vote for Boris or Brexit and am no fan of his.

However, I don’t really approve of the booing. It’s bullying IMO.

Also, BJ has sucked up a lot more shit in his life than people think and there is no way that booing will upset him. His mother was in a mental asylum when he was a child. He lived a chaotic life with domestic violence and was put into boarding school so that his father (who beat his mother) didn’t have to take care of him. He got a scholarship to Eton because he was extremely intelligent. I would say that he has had a lot less “privilege” than most of your kids because the greatest privilege in life is to have parents that love and nurture you.

And the reason he got into office was: Jeremy Corbyn. Countless surveys told us that people didn’t want to vote for him. But he remained as leader and handed BJ the keys to no.10.

rnsaslkih · 06/06/2022 09:11

If people are rude enough to boo him in a restaurant, don’t they deserve the bird or similar? I mean they’re eating out happily - they are alright.

Cornettoninja · 06/06/2022 09:19

Quite honestly @rnsaslkih, I don’t give a toss what his back story is. By the time someone gets into the office of prime minister what made them who they are today is largely irrelevant against their present capability. I would argue his ability to block out the judgement of others and lack of introspection is one of his failings not a strength.

Bullying suggests there’s a power balance and there is - in his favour. I only see evidence of one bully and it isn’t the general public. More widely his cabinet is full of bullies, even causing the resignation of a person who judged the same and was faced with a PM condoning bullying in his cabinet and rejecting advise to deal with it.

Boris and bullying go hand in hand, I have no issue with him being on a the relatively innocuous receiving end for once. He’s fostered this political climate.

AppleandRhubarbTart · 06/06/2022 09:21

Bullying suggests there’s a power balance and there is - in his favour

Yep.

Cornettoninja · 06/06/2022 09:21

rnsaslkih · 06/06/2022 09:11

If people are rude enough to boo him in a restaurant, don’t they deserve the bird or similar? I mean they’re eating out happily - they are alright.

Possibly, you’d hope a serving prime minister had more skills about him to deal with that though wouldn’t you?

balalake · 06/06/2022 09:22

I don't hope being booed every time Mr Johnson is near any member of the public happens. I would prefer to see him in a prison cell awaiting trial for corruption and corporate manslaughter.

Roussette · 06/06/2022 09:29

Booing makes those objecting to the mistakes look like they are children at a pantomime. If your MP doesn't respond to you in a way that you like then you need to find a way to complain that doesn't make you look like you are a seven year old

So how are we meant to make our feelings known? He surrounds himself with sycophants, this was the first chance for the general public to express something.

Last three polite but firm letters to my 1922 committee Tory MP, ignored. No reply

You sat 'find another way'. What then? I'm all ears