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Suspicious about my dads behaviour

91 replies

Rabbitinthefield · 02/06/2022 00:29

I’m completely new here, literally don’t know where else to post or ask and don’t want ask any friends before I’ve cleared my head.

im an adult woman (20’s) and I live with my dad (60) alone.

A few months ago something strange occurred in my house.
I was home alone and going to do a wash load. I opened the washer and there were damp-ish items In there- so I took them out to discover it was a yellow dusting cloth (ripped to shreds), a glass glove cleaner thing, and a pair of very small (tight waisted) boxer shorts-my immediate thought was that they were boys/child’s boxers.
My dad is very overweight and never worn boxers is his life. I have a younger brother (20’s) but he hasn’t been to my dads house in two years.
They can’t be either my dads or my brothers. They’d also had stains in them as if they’d been recently worn.
I was obviously very alarmed and confused by this. I took pictures on my phone of all the items then put them on a pile of of my dads washing as if i hadn’t noticed them because I didn’t want to confront him without trying to figure out more, also I was scared.

I was keeping a look out for weird stuff in the wash and didn’t discover anything else, however I also think those items have been binned because I haven’t seen them again. Looked for the cleaning glove and cloth in the diy cupboards to no avail either.

When on YouTube, I get AD recommendations like everyone else (the links just below the video you’re watching)
I keep getting recurring ads for ‘child models’ ‘aged between 3-12’…
needless to say this is nothing to do with either what I’m watching on YouTube (normally beauty or sports videos) and certainly nothing to do with my general Googling…
I have noticed that if you share the same wifi (I.e. in a house with the same IP) you can receive targeted ads across different devices/phones.
I know this because I’ve also got targeted ads for prostate screening (I’m female) and my dad is currently having his levels checked, so he has obviously been Googling it himself, which makes me highly concerned as to why I’m receiving ads for child models?

I tried to put it down to coincidence but today it happened again (maybe the 4th time in a couple months) and I just couldn’t ignore it. It’s freaking me out.
My dad was out and I went into his room and through his stuff.
in one of his sock draws I found a child’s bralette (literally has a label on it which says 9-11 years) and I found another pair of small boxers (this label saying for 13 years) which also have a hole in them and again have worn stains.
I’ve taken them out of the draw so they don’t disappear and locked them in my storage for now.

I don’t know what to do or what to think.
If these were adult garments I would just leave them and try not to think about them, as who wants to think of their parents in that sort of way anyway?
However the fact that all 3 items are quite clearly for children and the child model ads im also getting…I’m so worried and don’t know If I’m unreasonably thinking something is suspicious and is seriously wrong…?

im racking my brain thinking of all my dads’ past behaviour.

A few months ago, near the time I discovered the first set of boxers, we were out in London and I remember him commenting on all the school kids about. I said it’s weird that he would comment that and he went silent.

We also had a carer for my late nan, this carer was like family to us and sometimes her young daughter (4ish) would come in with her on the afternoon shift after school. I’d met the daughter loads of times as we’d sit and chat whilst her mum took care of my nan.
My dad knew this as all us adults would chat about my nans care- but my dad always mentioned to the carer that she should bring ‘daisy’ (not real name) in whenever she likes, and when I think back- I think it was excessive how often he would mention it.

He also comments on how lovely and clever the little girl is next door (7ish?) very often. In actual fact the kids next door are beyond bratish and scream the street down and no one else on the street looks at them favourably- just my dad.

if I’m really honest, I believe my dad often comments about children. Nothing explicit but usually saying nice cutesy things if he sees kids but usually to me, not to them or their parents.

my mum and dad spilt when I was four, so it’s been two decades about. I’ve never know him to date anyone else ever since, my mum or any other family has never mentioned another partner. Friends of mine that know my family often ask why my dad has been single all this time. I’m questioning everything tbh.

Maybe all this added info is pure paranoia at this stage.

what would people here recommend and what would you think If you were in this situation?

thank you

OP posts:
wellhelloitsme · 02/06/2022 15:07

OP needs to take this to the relevant authorities, not get even more upset by other people confirming her suspicions without due process.

I completely agree that that should be her next step.

It's just your posts, until the most recent few, seemed to suggest repeatedly that there was nothing suspicious in his behaviour as you kept mentioning that you have similar stuff in your home - but it didn't sound similar at all.

I was interested in why you seemed determined to convince her that there wasn't anything suspicious or troubling about what she found, with really sarcy posts like "The socks ARE in a chest of drawers, funnily enough. With my own pants. The SHAME!
There might be some teeny vests or shorts around in my ragbag, & sometimes rags get put in the washing machine. Horrors! Are you dialling 101?"

Anyway, have a good day.

KettrickenSmiled · 02/06/2022 15:43

The sarcasm was induced by some PP forgetting that we are British, & therefore - especially around suspicions of this magnitude - believe in innocent until proven guilty.

And MN does love a good old froth on a nonce thread. Look at the clown one this week - revolting accusations flying as if PP actually believed their own nonsense. Akin to the bloody mob that stormed a paediatrician's office.

StingrayStingray · 02/06/2022 16:14

Innocent until proven guilty yes. However @KettrickenSmiledI would say this is a safeguarding concern to be passed to the relevant authorities.

People are trying to come up with reasons why it's not suspicious - and it may very well turn out entirely innocent! - but the OP felt enough was wrong to ask for advice, my advice to anyone in this situation would be go to the police. They are better equipped to investigate and determine if there is any reason for concern than the posters who are saying "maybe he has them to use as rags?" - which sounds totally implausible to me anyway FWIW.

My family has history of CSA, I would never want another child to be at risk when an adult could have prevented it by going to the authorities with a suspicion. It could have been stopped in our family but people buried their heads in the sand and explained things away.

StingrayStingray · 02/06/2022 16:15

I also think familial loyalty or FOG played it's part in preventing people in our family from speaking up.

wellhelloitsme · 02/06/2022 16:16

@KettrickenSmiled

The vast, vast majority of people on this thread (almost all of them in fact) have just said yes I think there's cause for suspicion there, contact NSPCC / police for advice.

Which is exactly what you've said too... You presumably don't think you're 'frothing' and plenty of other people aren't either.

I think you're seeing frothing than than actually is. for some reason.

KettrickenSmiled · 02/06/2022 16:25

@StingrayStingray I agree, & have said so throughout the thread.

Pointing out that there could innocent interpretations isn't coming up with reasons why it's not suspicious. It's arguing for balance.
It's also expressing distaste for the guilt-assumptive gavel-banging, & alarm at the barmy get-sleuthing suggestions. These are NOT helpful, especially to OP.

Maintaining neutrality is not the same as 'putting children at risk', or 'explaining things away'.

Protracted CSA survivor btw.

KettrickenSmiled · 02/06/2022 16:30

@wellhelloitsme Yeah, I do call 'advising' OP to illegally tamper with her dad's devices, investigate his search history & explore whether he has accessed porn or downloaded/shared illegal images of minors "frothing".

Also highly irresponsible, prejudicial to any investigation, & likely to backfire in horrible & undeserved ways on OP herself.

Guilty as charged!

wellhelloitsme · 02/06/2022 16:33

KettrickenSmiled · 02/06/2022 16:30

@wellhelloitsme Yeah, I do call 'advising' OP to illegally tamper with her dad's devices, investigate his search history & explore whether he has accessed porn or downloaded/shared illegal images of minors "frothing".

Also highly irresponsible, prejudicial to any investigation, & likely to backfire in horrible & undeserved ways on OP herself.

Guilty as charged!

Yes that advice is wrong (and in some cases it's suggesting OP herself engages in illegal activity) and as I said, I agree she should speak to experts.

My point is was that those kind of posters are massively in the minority, the vast majority posters have just said the same as you so this isn't a thread full of 'frothing' at all.

StingrayStingray · 02/06/2022 16:33

I'm sorry that happened to you @KettrickenSmiled Flowers

I just feel like in a situation like this - where a family member is under suspicion, the instinct for a lot of people is to explain it away. Those posters floating suggestions as to why it might be nothing could reinforce that desire to sweep it all under the rug and pretend it didn't happen or explain it away... when sometimes there is something sinister going on.

Personally I just would prefer people not do that, sure say it might be nothing, but always advise flagging to the appropriate authorities.

Sadly average joe is not qualified or able to make accurate, safe assessments on things like this because of lack of awareness or training. It should always be handled by the proper people who know what they are doing and can, as you pointed out, work within the law - should the worst be proven to be true.

Better someone is quietly investigated and nothing found, than a child be abused because adults who should know better saying "oh it's probably nothing".

IMO anyway.

wellhelloitsme · 02/06/2022 16:33

And @KettrickenSmiled I'm really sorry you've been through that Flowers

TheHaka · 02/06/2022 16:48

You said your brother hadn’t been to your home for 2 years. If you see him, could you talk to him?

FlippityFlapperty · 02/06/2022 18:41

Everything you’ve done to record the items is very sensible. It’s obviously not normal for a single man his age to be washing and possessing used children’s underwear. I would go into my local police station and talk to them, taking the photos and any dates that you can remember. You have no idea if this could be important or not, but I applaud you for being alert to this despite it being a close relative and obviously really difficult for you to be in this situation. But he’s got both pairs of worn underpants and the bralette from somewhere outside of your house and they belong to children: it’s seemingly sexual and it cannot be not consensual.

I have a serious and not very pleasant thought which you don’t need to address on here, but you mentioned the stains on the underwear. Blood would not be a normal stain and if that looked like a possibility I would mention that if you report it.

KettrickenSmiled · 03/06/2022 12:12

@StingrayStingray @wellhelloitsme

Thank you both.

mycatisannoying · 03/06/2022 13:43

My guess is that the bralette and boxers are being used as wank fodder (sorry), and that's why they appear used 😬

KettrickenSmiled · 03/06/2022 14:09

mycatisannoying · 03/06/2022 13:43

My guess is that the bralette and boxers are being used as wank fodder (sorry), and that's why they appear used 😬

Exactly. No need to jump to conclusions. Although some people seem to feel that even inanimate wank fodder ought to be asked for consent.
Although the double negative is a puzzler, so maybe it's actually a blessing on the union:

But he’s got both pairs of worn underpants and the bralette from somewhere outside of your house and they belong to children: it’s seemingly sexual and it cannot be not consensual.

restedbutexhausted · 03/06/2022 14:49

mycatisannoying · 03/06/2022 13:43

My guess is that the bralette and boxers are being used as wank fodder (sorry), and that's why they appear used 😬

But why does he have to use childrens underwear for that? Doesn't that still suggest a sexual interest in children? I would expect anyone to be put off having a wank into a child's clothing tbh. Confused

Bednobsbroomsticks · 03/06/2022 14:50

There are number of possibilities and I tend to lean towards he could have bought them himself to pleasure himself with. Either way it is troubling and feel for you op. Is he on his own most of the day or are u there. Does he have access to any children at all via groups or friends of his. I would monitor further then if you gather more evidence report it.

KettrickenSmiled · 03/06/2022 15:38

restedbutexhausted · 03/06/2022 14:49

But why does he have to use childrens underwear for that? Doesn't that still suggest a sexual interest in children? I would expect anyone to be put off having a wank into a child's clothing tbh. Confused

Because he has a kink or fetish.

It doesn't mean he's abducting children off the street & stealing their
undergarments. It's unsavoury, but we're not quite at the Thought Police stage yet, even on Priti Patel's Britain.

restedbutexhausted · 03/06/2022 15:42

Sorry but that's absolutely not normal to have a kink or fetish about wanking into a child's clothing. That's a massive cause for concern and if you don't think so i'd say you were an apologist.

KettrickenSmiled · 03/06/2022 16:18

Who said it was "normal" @restedbutexhausted?

You are astonishingly naive if you think men don't have fantasies about the most revolting sexual scenarios. Are these all a "massive cause for concern" too? Should we bring in the Thought Police?

restedbutexhausted · 03/06/2022 16:20

You're acting as if we should just accept it. It's paedophilic. There's gross and there's being a paedophile. Having a kink that involves children can't just be shrugged off.

KettrickenSmiled · 03/06/2022 16:30

restedbutexhausted · 03/06/2022 16:20

You're acting as if we should just accept it. It's paedophilic. There's gross and there's being a paedophile. Having a kink that involves children can't just be shrugged off.

If OP hadn't gone snooping in her dad's private space, she wouldn't have found the upsetting clothing.
There is no evidence that he is harming children.

How do you propose people refuse to "accept" someone having a private wank?
How are you ging to go about refusing to shrug off fantasies about children? Posting on an internet forum? That'll show 'em!

What do you suggest OP tells the police?

I'm not sure OP is returning, but when she does I wonder what she might say about her absent brother ...

Dotcomma · 03/06/2022 16:33

How many of you have actually offered anything useful to the poor girl in this situation? If you just happened to be in her shoes and she's reading all the disgusting things that have been written, is she likely to feel supported - that isn't a question btw.

restedbutexhausted · 03/06/2022 16:33

Just forget I even said anything. This conversation is fruitless. ✌🏻

KettrickenSmiled · 03/06/2022 16:41

Dotcomma · 03/06/2022 16:33

How many of you have actually offered anything useful to the poor girl in this situation? If you just happened to be in her shoes and she's reading all the disgusting things that have been written, is she likely to feel supported - that isn't a question btw.

Apart from popping in once to tell OP you have no advice to offer her, speculating that paedophilia is a symptom of depression, & then coming back to roundly scold PP for not being useful - what have you actually offered that is useful to the poor girl@Dotcomma?

If she was seriously worried, she'd have been onto the cops or NSPCC months ago. Not waiting a few months, then posting about it on AIBU & disappearing.