To think the monarchy is regressive and should be abolished?

[Muezza]

The principle of the monarchy, that they are superior people because of the family they were born into/married into is completely regressive and embarrassing for us as a country.

All the hoopla around the jubilee is cringe worthy

What, even the kids?

Every country has killed millions of innocents outside their country regardless of whether a monarchy or not. I specifically stated in the running of our country as in our own citizens. They matter too.

You might want to have a small word with the Scottish (amongst others) about that. Unless you're only including England. And even then, not really.

Those countries have smaller balconies so kept the problem within reasonable limits?

Liz overplayed her hand if she wanted to secure another 200 years for them all. Grabbed too much, and now people are starting to ask questions. Often the way with very greedy people.

A referendum would be needed I think.

Do you literally have NO understanding of the history of the monarchy in this country?

Article in the Guardian today worth a read. It's about the Duchies of Cornwall/Lancaster avoiding rewilding discussions. Those 2 Duchies are the property of the Queen and Prince Charles. He got £20 million from that. Doesnt pay corporation tax. Didnt know he is biggest private landowner in Britain. Not political? I think we now they have influence where it matters and Queens Consent protects the monarchs interests

The person who said EVERY country has killed millions outside their borders might need some history and geography lessons. That is so factually incorrect that one knows not where to start.

You do realise that they have no power of their own. The Government has taken it all away. The gongs they award are from the Govts list. The income they get all voted on by Govt and is reduced. Crown Estates money is straight into the Treasury. Dates and venues for visits by them or visiting Heads of State dictated by Diplomats.
It is convenient for Gov to have someone else to take the flak.

You’re not even a citizen but a mere subject.

Your 'knowledge' on this matter is 40 years out of date.

I really like having a monarchy - it's like having our own private soap opera populated by people who feel like distant family. They're well worth it just for the entertainment value

See here's where i think it falls apart. We have Instagram/reality tv for that now. And its SO much cheaper.

Can't belive its still going.

Thinking about the smaller Euro monarchies - I think the issue is less royalty and more about how embedded the class system is in society.

You could get rid of the Royal layer of our class system but there would still be the ‘upper class’ layer who do actually hold the majority of wealth and power and influence in the UK. And they operate and would continue to operate without any oversight or obligation to the rest of society.

The Windsors without their titles would just be fairly average rich people free to do whatever they liked without scrutiny.

I think whatever happens in the future the queen's passing will absolutely be the right time to significantly pare down the monarchy. Even if we continue with a hereditary HoS (which I'm sure we will) that's no reason to entertain the rest of the family, nor pay a penny to support them.

So all these ridiculous hangers on like Andrew's vapid daughters etc. will fade away I hope. No grace and favour palaces, no tax payer funded security, no titles etc.

And whilst we're at it, all those ridiculous dukedoms etc. should be culled. We can certainly do with moving on from the nobility fgs.

That is interesting. I'll go and bookmark that to read properly later.

It's an issue for sure. Get rid of the nobility and introduce a land tax. That might help.

Crown Estates money is straight into the Treasury.

well apart from the cool 86 mill given to them. And you do realise it's not their money, right?

No power of their own? Really?

What does power and influence mean to you? Who has power and influence is not necessarily the pen pushers.

Who do you suppose have power in this country? Boris Johnson and his cabal? It’s easy to get Johnson to act as a puppet on a string. Even China can get your most moral PM, of high virtue to do catwheels if it so chooses.

The Queen signs laws into force and she has had enough power to ensure that whatever law she does not want to apply to her, it does not apply to her.

Power and influence? Indeed, who has it?

Put the bunting down for a sec and at least read this book before reposting total BS for the billionth time.
www.amazon.com/What-Do-You-Royal-Family/dp/1785904914?ref_=d6k_applink_bb_dls&dplnkId=f830b9ae-c94b-4c51-8387-2842b100d50c

I don't think we need another one of those! We haven't recovered from the last one! 🙄

Who said the past doesn't matter? My point is that you don't continue living like your ancestors. Or perhaps you do. Do you eschew all modern medicine? Live without windows? Never wash your body? Not use technology? Shun everything made of plastic, etc. etc. Of course you don't.

You've missed my point.

My point is that they're not royal randomly. They're royal because someone in their family fought for the power and won. So as another PP put it, it was actually a meritocracy once upon a time.

Obviously we don't fight like that these days so they are now 'uncontested' and as such the crown is just passed down.

And how did that 'stealing' occur?

Could you do it? I probably don't have the confidence or the skill to go into battle.

Nothing was stolen, everything was fought for and won or lost. It's the same as lions fighting for territory for security and hunting rights.

Blueberry The medieval monarchs fair enough, but that argument falls apart when you get to the various Georges.

And to do that you need a strong socialist government which the UK hasn’t had (ever?)

You can see why the Scandinavian countries don’t resent their Royals as much because their standard of living is more equally spread across their society - might change if they don’t manage to integrate their immigrant communities well though and start creating different layers of society.

"My point is that they're not royal randomly"

True, but usually for reasons that aren't really anything to be proud of.

Could you do it? I probably don't have the confidence or the skill to go into battle.

I'm willing to bet I could take the Queen in a fight. Throw in Charles as well, make it interesting.