To think the monarchy is regressive and should be abolished?

[Muezza]

The principle of the monarchy, that they are superior people because of the family they were born into/married into is completely regressive and embarrassing for us as a country.

All the hoopla around the jubilee is cringe worthy

I don't think it's embarrassing, I just think it's a model no longer fit for purpose.

And if your argument boils down to "if you don't like it leave", you don't really have an argument

Why this ridiculous belief that British people can't create a better political system? Everyone just fixated on the post-Boris race to the bottom?

I enjoy the history and continuity. I think we need to accept they are human, quite like the Dutch model. That would work I think.

No one says they are superior

Don't be ridiculous. People literally bow and curtsey to them. Of course they're deemed superior!

And it's really really tiresome to reduce the very nuanced and complex debate around monarchy vs republicanism to 'people are jealous'. Stop judging others by your own cognitively undemanding standards.

People would still visit to see Windsor and Buckingham palace, they would be owned by the state. The history would still be there, it doesn't dissapear of we decide to no longer partake In the ridiculous and expensive charade that is the Royal family.

The Royal family must believe they are superior to carry on in their roles - if the queen believed she was not superior she could have taken steps to phase out the monarchy herself. The fact that over her reign her and other senior royals have actively tried to protect their position and the role of the monarchy proves my point.

I have a huge interest and respect for the history of this country. Refusing the doff my cap and behave like a grateful peasant doesn't mean I should leave the country 🤣

YANBU @Muezza for anyone that feels this way, please do something practical like joining Republic or you run the risk of things staying exactly as they are.

I am no royalist but when I think of the alternative ......

Be careful what you wish for is what I think. Constitution monarchy is a pretty good system of governance imo. Can you imagine starting a new system with what a presidential system? President Johnson living in Buckingham palace maybe?
Mir would be utterly destabilising compared to our relative stability now.
I was a republican for years but now a Monarchist.

A stable Monarchy has always profited a country as does a stable government. We are lucky at the moment to have both. Things will change dramatically if we abolish the Monarchy but it could be a good thing. We won't know unless/until it happens.

I met a group of Americans in a tea room last week who had come over especially for the Jubilee - there were about a dozen in the group, but they were a small part of a much larger party. It was interesting to hear their perspective of the monarchy - they loved the continuity, the history, the pomp and ceremony.

I quite like having a constitutional monarchy. Most of the countries which people on MN purport to admire are constitutional monarchies ( Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands).

It doesn't bother me that the Royal family receive the sovereign grant, an amount which equates to about 75p per head of population per year. Bargain when you think about the billions wasted by the government and public bodies every year.

Some live in extreme poverty, some live in extreme luxury - 'twas ever thus and probably ever shall be.

And nobody in this country has to doff their cap to the Queen or anyone else in the royal family. I never get that argument.

Would people feel as pro monarchy and again an elected head of state if Andrew was next in line to the throne? Or if a similar scandal came out about Charles or William?

In complete agreement, OP!

Yep..........................it's really about time the British population stopped fawning over the "rich" and tugging at our forelock in the hopes of a few crumbs being filtered down to us.

I don't mind the Queen but think she is very misguided re the whole Prince Andrew affair. Prince Charles is an embarrassment.
I think a more low key, European style of monarchy (Spain, Sweden, Netherlands) would work better.

Anyone who is pro monarchy and celebrating the jubilee is implicitly stating that they think that myself, my partner and our children are a lower class of person, inferior, to a certain special family.

I find the view INCREDIBLY disgusting - on a par with trans activists denying women's rights or fascists openly promoting racism.

On the whole, I'd rather have a monarch and a prime minister than a president.

Ah, the forelock tugging and cap doffing. It's more used as a description of behaviour rather than a literal doffing of cap, or tugging if the forelock. Though I suppose it may be both.

I feel ambivalent as on one hand the people are shown adulation and it feels off, the ring fenced privilege etc

Oth I don’t mind the actual set up of constitutional monarchy with prime minister and monarch

Would people feel as pro monarchy and again an elected head of state if Andrew was next in line to the throne? Or if a similar scandal came out about Charles or William?

I still laugh 😂 at tampon Charles. Prince Harry taught us they have excellent PR and Andrew went against 'advice' so I guess Environmental hypocrite William has some secrets, his wife is better at keeping them for him.

But we do, maybe not in a literal sense, but in the way we allow them to retain vast wealth without question. The Queen makes more money from the rent on the Apple shop on regents street than from her Duchy of Lancaster farm estate, she also makes rent from the wind farms off the coast, a cost the energy companies are passing on.

We nearly got rid of them but let Charles back in.

The tide of public opinion may turn when Charles takes over. I'm counting on it.

The Monarchy should end when Elizabeth goes. All this fawning and forelock-tugging, just to favour a family whose ancestors happened to be more brutal and conniving than anyone else’s, it’s embarrassing and anachronistic and should have no place in the 21st century.

I think the monarchy surving post Queen isn't certain - a foot or two wrong and they could easily be massive public demand for change.

However the monarchy has looked uncertain in Britain before and has always managed to survive by adapting - whether the next generation is actually up to that task - well I don't think it looks good.

I think the jubilee excitement isn't that great where I am and media coverage is always OTT but there is some fondness or respect or something towards the Queen that exists - so most people are meh about jubliee and monarchy in general.

Had the Windsors all been kind, productive, economic and diplomatically beneficial, altruistic, reasonably humble and mindful of their privileged position, benign or in any way remotely useful, I'd still be against the monarchy on political grounds.

But this lot? They are particularly poor custodians of their very great (and underserved) privilege.