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Wibu to accuse dp of gaslighting

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Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 16:52

Dp and I have been together 3.5 years. He has known dd for most of that time as we were friends beforehand. We don't live together but he is here most weekends.

They have a good relationship although he does not play a parenting role.

The past few months dp and dd have been winding each other uo. Nothing more than mucking about going a bit too far mostly. A lot to do with dd (nearly 9) being a bit stroppy and dp knowing it and just poking the bear a bit. She has started puberty and this past week is the one where the hormones rage. She gets arsed, tearful for no reason amd generally difficult. It is hormones mostly.

This weekend they have driven me to distraction. It is like having 2 teenagers in the house. Bickering and sniping at each other.

I have lost my shit at both of them several times and bollocked the pair of them for their appalling behaviour and for winding each other up.

Dd will look sheepish and apologise but state firmly that dp was winding her up. He will deny any wrong doing or that he has done anything at all even though I have heard/seen it.

I feel this is gaslighting us both and I will not tolerate it.
I have basically told both of them I am sick of the pair of them and separately told him to grown up and stop eith the gaslighting.

He has then sulked like a bloody teenager and sloped off home.

He is about a hairs breadth from being single. I will not tolerate the gaslighting at all and I will back dd to the hilt. He will never come before her and he knows that.

Wibu? I have told them both off for the behaviours as they are both as bad as each other for winding the other up. So it isn't that I have let dd get away with it.

OP posts:
Juniper68 · 29/05/2022 22:40

I knew from the onset how this would pan out. Seen it all before.

Undertheoldlindentree · 29/05/2022 22:40

Something is quite disturbing and unbalanced about the household atmosphere/dynamic you're describing and will likely get worse rather than better as your daughter grows up. I would finish the relationship and focus on a calm and happy home life with your daughter, before she suffers further emotional upset.

OutDamnedSpot · 29/05/2022 22:40

Fucking hell. Your updates are terrifying.

She. Is. A. Child

She has no power here. You need to seriously shift your understanding of what is appropriate and what is not.

LondonWolf · 29/05/2022 22:44

I'd end this immediately. 9 year old girls do not need to be "bickering" or forced to spend time with childish, grown adult men who they're not related to just because their Mum fancies him. Important years for your dd where she will form ways around interacting with and relating to men which she will carry tor the rest of her life and into future relationships. Something very odd about how you're presenting this as conflict amongst a pair of equals when they're not at all.

Carlycat · 29/05/2022 22:55

Tickle fights Envy

Juniper68 · 29/05/2022 23:01

Carlycat · 29/05/2022 22:55

Tickle fights Envy

I know 🇲🇪🇰🇬🇭🇰🇨🇳

ladydimitrescu · 29/05/2022 23:03

She's a fucking child and she's being bullied in her own home. Why are you bollocking her?! What the hell is wrong with you?!
Tickle fights with an 8 year old child going through puberty when it's not his daughter is absolutely gross - he's a creep and a twat and you need to keep him away from your child!

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:07

Seriously some of you need to get a grip

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billy1966 · 29/05/2022 23:07

Carlycat · 29/05/2022 22:55

Tickle fights Envy

Yea.

Tickle fights.

The bullys love to tickle those smaller than them.

No one likes being tickled.

It's awful.

Poor child.

wellhelloitsme · 29/05/2022 23:08

I have basically told both of them I am sick of the pair of them and separately told him to grown up and stop eith the gaslighting.

So you've bollocked her and him as if they are equal parties in front of them both. So she feels you see them as equal parties in this. Which you do as you said they're 'as bad as each other'. That she winds him up. That she goads him. How shit must that feel for an eight year old girl.

Then in private told him to stop and that he's gaslighting you and her (as he denies that he's done anything at all). She doesn't see you tell him he's lying, so thinks you believe him. How shit must that feel for an eight year old girl.

You don't seem to see how fucking weird this situation is and that it's baffling you've let it go on instead of kicking him out the minute your daughter said he did something that you know is true and he denied it to your face.

Think about the implications of that. How unsupported and disbelieved that would make her feel. How she's being taught that she is responsible for regulating men's behaviour. That she isn't believed by her own mum, even when her mum sees the truth first hand.

I genuinely am staggered at how little awareness you have to seem of quite how unhealthy this situation is.

It's scary from the outside.

toastedbagiel · 29/05/2022 23:08

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:07

Seriously some of you need to get a grip

Urgh.

wellhelloitsme · 29/05/2022 23:09

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:07

Seriously some of you need to get a grip

Your poor daughter. I understand you may feel attacked and defensive but do you seriously just think we should 'get a grip' rather than considering that if this many people react the same way (really unsettled by him and feeling you aren't taking it seriously enough) that you might be the one reacting in the wrong way?

ladydimitrescu · 29/05/2022 23:11

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:07

Seriously some of you need to get a grip

The only person here who needs a grip, is you op. Your poor daughter is being bullied and you are complicit in this.

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 29/05/2022 23:19

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:07

Seriously some of you need to get a grip

No. You do.

You seem far more exercised by terminology than the well-being of your young daughter. Not a good look.

ladydimitrescu · 29/05/2022 23:20

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

How is him winding her up constantly and upsetting her, an 8 year old child when he is a grown man - not bullying?
You're so obsessed with the term gaslighting and how this is all effecting you, you're completely oblivious to where actually happening to your daughter. Do you not think there's maybe a reason she's acting out? And why her behaviour is so apparently awful? Could it be she's lashing out as she's subjected to your bully of a partner, and you allow it to happen?!?!! Ffs wake up!!!!

AnneLovesGilbert · 29/05/2022 23:20

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

What’s your obsession with gaslighting if you don’t think there’s abuse?!

wellhelloitsme · 29/05/2022 23:29

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

So that's a no to me asking if you think it might be worth taking on board that multiple people have had the exact same response to this situation and think you're being unfair to your daughter and tackling the situation poorly? Even though multiple people reacted the same, you're convinced they're all wrong? Ok then.

Sunnytwobridges · 29/05/2022 23:31

Scarlettpixie · 29/05/2022 17:02

I don’t think this is gaslighting.

He is being a dick though.

I agree, this isn’t gaslighting. He is stirring your dd up for some reason though, like has has an issue with her or is taking out whatever hidden frustrations he has on her.

wellhelloitsme · 29/05/2022 23:32

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

You literally called his behaviour abusive yourself in the second paragraph below...

Actually it absolutely is gaslighting. I know he has behaved badly, wound her up etc and have called him out on it. He had then denied it completely.

The very definition of gaslighting is doing something abusive and then denying it ever happened.

And a grown adult 'winding up' an eight year old girl then denying it is bullying.

toastedbagiel · 29/05/2022 23:36

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

A grown man has come into your child's safe space and is making her life unhappy. You can call it whatever the fuck you like so long as you put a stop to it

SoggyPoppadom · 29/05/2022 23:46

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

Sounding a bit gaslighty yourself now op. Your own words describing him made him sound like some kind of bully picking on an hormonal child, the stuff you've added about contact with her dad causing problems and you losing your friend makes him sound all the more like a knob. And you're defending him, a grown adult while saying your dd is just as bad?

Most grown adults would say "no tickling/play fighting I don't like it and it upsets your mother, would you like to pick a dvd for us all to watch instead?" It's really inappropriate he sees her as a peer to be honest. It's not a choice between stepdad relationship or sibling relationship.

Sunnytwobridges · 29/05/2022 23:51

Sleepeatrepeat · 29/05/2022 23:15

Dd is not being bullied. Ffs you lot seem to thrive on finding abuse where there is none.

Ok I read the post where you said your dd instigates some of the situations with your do and her brother and I actually can see this being possible. My ex’s dd would do the same, not to me (altho she did make up lies about me) but to her much older sisters and with my DPs other gfs ( we remained friends after the break up).

i still say your dp was being an area for reacting like a kid instead of walking away or just bringing it to your attention

7eleven · 30/05/2022 00:01

This feels like one of those threads where someone says “My OH etc did this and I think they’re awful.”

People reply “Yes, that’s dreadful and your OH etc is an arse.”

Back comes the OP with “No they’re not! How fucking dare you say that!!!”

Don’t see the point of the post. What does the OP want us to say?

Whetheryouthinkyoucan · 30/05/2022 00:48

Is gaslighting not abusive then? I always thought it was.