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Do think BJ is desperate if bringing back imperial is his next plan...

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SamBeckettslastleap · 28/05/2022 20:49

Johnson to reportedly bring back imperial measures to mark platinum jubilee

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QuestionableMouse · 28/05/2022 23:53

Am I a weirdo for being able to use both? Probably helped that I grew up in a family of joiners and bricklayers who only used imperial, and we were taught it at school!

He's a fuckwit in either system though!

Thwomp · 29/05/2022 00:00

QuestionableMouse · 28/05/2022 23:53

Am I a weirdo for being able to use both? Probably helped that I grew up in a family of joiners and bricklayers who only used imperial, and we were taught it at school!

He's a fuckwit in either system though!

I can use both, but if I went into Store A and they were selling 500g of Boris’ British Beans for £1.25, and went into Store B and they were selling 2lbs of Boris’ British Beans for £2.30, it would take me a little time to work out which is the better deal.

Which is why requiring all stores to display price per gram, as standard, regardless of whether they also want to show pricing info in the imperial system, is a benefit to consumers.

Moving away from a universal system hurts consumers, pure and simple.

saraclara · 29/05/2022 00:02

QuestionableMouse · 28/05/2022 23:53

Am I a weirdo for being able to use both? Probably helped that I grew up in a family of joiners and bricklayers who only used imperial, and we were taught it at school!

He's a fuckwit in either system though!

I can use both. I grew up with imperial but have absolutely no interest in going back to pounds and ounces. And retailers being able to choose which they want to use is madness.
Kids who've only grown up with kg and g are going to be hugely disadvantaged and schools have now than enough pressure on without teaching children the clunky measuring system in addition to the straightforward one. And it will be too late for younger adults.

It's insane. The man has lost the plot.

ChitChatChatter · 29/05/2022 00:09

QuestionableMouse · 28/05/2022 23:53

Am I a weirdo for being able to use both? Probably helped that I grew up in a family of joiners and bricklayers who only used imperial, and we were taught it at school!

He's a fuckwit in either system though!

Nope. My dad was a precision engineer and had to switch between systems as required by the contract, making components with tolerances of thousandths of an inch and he taught us both systems long before metric systems were officially introduced. Similar sort of thing for other trades I should think where you have to fit current metric components into legacy imperial systems.

And yes, Bozo is a fuckwit.

Snugglepumpkin · 29/05/2022 00:20

Of course he wants to do something utterly pointless.

Then when the prices change because it's in pints not ml, people will confuse the conversions & they can be even higher but slightly camouflaged.

This is the man who wants to put the parents of disabled/traumatised at school etc.. children whose children don't have school places in prison when they disagree with unfairly issued SAOs.

He will too because nobody cares about the kids who need to be EHE actually having needs or rights.

5foot5 · 29/05/2022 00:26

What a load of nonsense.

I will be 60 this year. All through my education I was taught in the metric system.

Yes of course if someone asks me my height my first instinct is to say 5 foot 5 and I won't disclose my weight but I think of it first in stones. However I am perfectly capable of converting and, for many things, I will think straight in metric. Cooking, buying fabric, estimating distance etc.

Anyone who wants to start doing calculations in all those different number bases, well good luck. I could do it but why would you choose to.

My Dad was a builder and still working when the metric system was introduced. He bought new rulers and just got on with it. He has been dead ages but would be 102 otherwise.

LetitiaLeghorn · 29/05/2022 00:47

@Thwomp I'm not going to agree with you if I don't. You couldn't even be bothered to read my post properly so said I hadn't addresed something when I had. And yet I still wasn't rude to you but you think it's OK to be rude to me. Maybe that's how you argue where you come from but it's not where I come from.

XrayFish · 29/05/2022 00:47

Just because you have to display metric currently doesn't mean it's consistent metric units. If they want to take the comparison point from the consumer they already are.

I buy a jar of something, one brand is priced per ml and one is priced per 100g. I don't know the density of 'thing' so I don't know which is better value.

I buy a packet of something, one brand priced per 100g and one per each. Same issue. Also with fresh fruit/veg.

I go to the market I have to choose whether to buy per lb or per bowl, with no idea which is better value because I don't know what a lb of apples looks like.

And that's assuming that the mg-g-kg etc conversions are trivial which they aren't for everyone.

And there's a total lack of clarity whether the price per refers to the normal price of the discount price (when there is one).

I don't really care if it's metric or imperial or something else. What would help the consumer is consistency across a product type within the same shop, which isn't available now and what metric was supposed to do.

And metric isn't the scientific standard it's made out to be. Metric is standard in science in most western countries. The rest of the world tends to go with some sort of mix up like the US and UK. Scientists are generally not going to bother with unit conversions if it can be avoided and will use whatever the data is provided in with little consistency across company/industry. And that's on top of inconsistently recording either the volume or weight or moles or whatever. Telling scientists, here are some sensible SI units and you should use them, didn't actually change anything, equipment is expensive and conversions imprecise and nobody thought to record whether things were metric or imperial.

ErrolTheDragon · 29/05/2022 00:49

Just to correct a misconception, the US does not use 'Imperial' measures. It uses 'US Customary Units', many of which are slightly different and some significantly different from Imperial - the most obvious, and disappointing, being the 16oz pint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnitedStatesscustomaryunits

Thwomp · 29/05/2022 00:56

XrayFish · 29/05/2022 00:47

Just because you have to display metric currently doesn't mean it's consistent metric units. If they want to take the comparison point from the consumer they already are.

I buy a jar of something, one brand is priced per ml and one is priced per 100g. I don't know the density of 'thing' so I don't know which is better value.

I buy a packet of something, one brand priced per 100g and one per each. Same issue. Also with fresh fruit/veg.

I go to the market I have to choose whether to buy per lb or per bowl, with no idea which is better value because I don't know what a lb of apples looks like.

And that's assuming that the mg-g-kg etc conversions are trivial which they aren't for everyone.

And there's a total lack of clarity whether the price per refers to the normal price of the discount price (when there is one).

I don't really care if it's metric or imperial or something else. What would help the consumer is consistency across a product type within the same shop, which isn't available now and what metric was supposed to do.

And metric isn't the scientific standard it's made out to be. Metric is standard in science in most western countries. The rest of the world tends to go with some sort of mix up like the US and UK. Scientists are generally not going to bother with unit conversions if it can be avoided and will use whatever the data is provided in with little consistency across company/industry. And that's on top of inconsistently recording either the volume or weight or moles or whatever. Telling scientists, here are some sensible SI units and you should use them, didn't actually change anything, equipment is expensive and conversions imprecise and nobody thought to record whether things were metric or imperial.

Just because the current system is imperfect does not justify making a lot it worse.

This is the sort of stuff that we should be looking to improve during a cost of living crisis, rather than making life harder for consumers.

carefullycourageous · 29/05/2022 01:03

This is so embarrassing, he is ridiculous.

Crises:


  • cost of living

  • NHS care

  • collapse of justice system

  • rising crime

  • climate

  • system of measurements


The man is a total waste of space. I wish he would just resign and put Dilyn in charge instead.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/05/2022 01:14

Libertaire · 28/05/2022 22:42

It’s smart politics. As always, Johnson is pandering to his key voter base : Xenophobic, uneducated OAPs.

Yep.

LetitiaLeghorn · 29/05/2022 01:16

carefullycourageous · 29/05/2022 01:03

This is so embarrassing, he is ridiculous.

Crises:


  • cost of living

  • NHS care

  • collapse of justice system

  • rising crime

  • climate

  • system of measurements


The man is a total waste of space. I wish he would just resign and put Dilyn in charge instead.

At the moment I'm trying to finish two work contracts, I'm sorting out packing and organising work for our working holiday from next weekend, cleaning the house for the pet sitter while I'm away and sorting out the carers for my mum while I'm gone and all her washing, cleaning and biying and preparing her food for the carers to use.

You see. I'm capable of doing all that at the same time. So surely the entire flipping civil service can figure out to do more than one thing at once. 🙄

Princessoftheuniverse · 29/05/2022 01:50

Britain has never fully embraced metric. Personally I’d like to keep decimal coinage but return to imperial weights and measures and bring Fahrenheit back too. Then I’ll know if it’s going to be hot.

VivienneDelacroix · 29/05/2022 01:56

He knows that this is the kind of crap his dullard voters will wet themselves over. They'll think he's a hero - "getting our sovereignty back," etc.

ChitChatChatter · 29/05/2022 02:53

Princessoftheuniverse · 29/05/2022 01:50

Britain has never fully embraced metric. Personally I’d like to keep decimal coinage but return to imperial weights and measures and bring Fahrenheit back too. Then I’ll know if it’s going to be hot.

Why would you want to bring back imperial weights and measures? Genuine question, not trying to be goady.

Nat6999 · 29/05/2022 03:21

I use imperial for weighing & measuring, I'm used to it & get the conversion done on my calculator app on my phone, I can't imagine distances in anything other than miles.

Ednafrommooneyponds · 29/05/2022 05:53

LetitiaLeghorn · 29/05/2022 01:16

At the moment I'm trying to finish two work contracts, I'm sorting out packing and organising work for our working holiday from next weekend, cleaning the house for the pet sitter while I'm away and sorting out the carers for my mum while I'm gone and all her washing, cleaning and biying and preparing her food for the carers to use.

You see. I'm capable of doing all that at the same time. So surely the entire flipping civil service can figure out to do more than one thing at once. 🙄

They certainly could if the incompetent, dishonest buffoon came up with any solutions to the aforementioned crises.

User487216 · 29/05/2022 06:08

It's only some weights and measures so why are some people banging on about currency or is that to make it sound more dramatic

newnamethanks · 29/05/2022 06:40

Bring on the horse and carriage. Down with those modern cars. Down with airplanes, up with hot air balloons. Up with Rees-Moggs, down with Joey Essex. When will we see the twat in No 10 for what he is? Laughing himself into hysterics as he figures out what level of twisted illusion he can flog to the plebs next. More please sir, just bending over for you now sir.

Scoobygang7 · 29/05/2022 06:46

LesLavandes · 28/05/2022 21:34

Oh nooo! Happy doing - inches etc, pounds and stones but...

Money... I can't imagine changing back to imperial!!!

Bloody hope money doesn't change. We're in a cost of living crisis, the government have spent tons. Wonder how much it will cost to produce new/old currency.

FourChimneys · 29/05/2022 06:59

I have always used a mixture of imperial and metric without even thinking about it.

I prefer to bake in pounds and ounces, frequently measure things, eg for sewing, in inches, and don't know my weight in kg as our scales are so old they only do pounds and stones.

I would never vote Tory in a million years though.

Bretonbear · 29/05/2022 07:07

It's a 6lb, 3oz dead cat. There will be more. All to distract from the lie factory.

HelloSpringIveMissedYou · 29/05/2022 07:18

Is this true? I've just had to check whether it's April 1st!

What a daft idea, I like the current mash up, C for weather, oz for baking and as someone said earlier gallons instead of litres will be illuminating.

Think he saying anything to take the heat off partygate Wink

MintJulia · 29/05/2022 07:28

Imperial never went away.

I still order a pint of beer, walk a mile to work, weigh 10st 3lb at 5'8" tall. And have just replaced my roof with Imperial measured slates.

(I'd struggle using shillings and d though 😊)

But if you use metric, fine, that's your choice. Does it matter?