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mackthepony · 2022-05-25T19:27:52+00:00

Mate has started doing reiki. She's now offering 'distance reiki' - same as normal reiki but feels your energy online. And yes, there's a charge for it. 🙄 Is it just me? Wtf?

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 28/05/2022 08:25

Chica10 · 26/05/2022 16:00

How dismissive of you. You may not believe in this, and of course that’s fine, but this person clearly does and takes a great interest in it and it enriches her life in some way. Not everything is black and white.

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No, but some things are, and Reiki is clearly all rubbish. Implausible and proven not to work.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 28/05/2022 08:29

Poppyseed14 · 26/05/2022 20:37

My mum is a reiki master and often sends me and my family distance healing. So it is a thing. Obviously she doesn't charge for it. I'd be wary of paying someone for that sort of thing tbh.

Are you not worried that it may cause tumors?

doadeer · 28/05/2022 08:29

When you say reiki doesn't work... Work for what? It depends what your expectation is.

I use reiki to relax, it is part of my chronic pain treatment path - I use lots of techniques. It does work to relax my nervous system.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 28/05/2022 08:36

CupidStunt22 · 27/05/2022 15:53

Again, these are informed choices made by the individual. I have personally never been duped into going into any alternative therapy - it was my choice completely. I researched the process and absolutely understood what I was undertaking. Just because it’s not science does not mean that people can’t make their own informed choices

Most choices aren't very informed. Many people don't have the will or the capability to independently research, and even some that do don't really understand. To many "research" is the top few sites on Google.

I mean, the fact that you say you thoroughly researched the process and understood is fully is a case in point: there is NO serious actual research that explains the process of reiki and how it works. OR that it does work. So how, exactly, did you understand it?

One of the (many) problems with Reiki is that it doesn’t seem to accord with the laws of physics. That’s really a major issue.

The supposed “energy” is a completely unknown phenomenon. There’s no plausible mechanism for creating a new form of energy, and no evidence that it exists.

It’s at the same level of implausibility as human teleportation.

Loopytiles · 28/05/2022 08:41

there’re lots of cheaper options for help with relaxing.

Loopytiles · 28/05/2022 08:45

Chiropractic is an interesting one. I know people who have spent a lot of money on it - eg for back pain - and think it’s helped them. But it’s unproven.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/chiropractic/

donquixotedelamancha · 28/05/2022 09:29

It’s hard to make ‘informed choices’ on how to spend money, energy and time when experiencing, for example, pain, fertility issues, cancer, bereavement.

Absolutely. Everyone is vulnerable at some point in their lives. Its the grifters preying on them who should be ashamed.

Elphame · 28/05/2022 10:09

One of the (many) problems with Reiki is that it doesn’t seem to accord with the laws of physics. That’s really a major issue.

The supposed “energy” is a completely unknown phenomenon. There’s no plausible mechanism for creating a new form of energy, and no evidence that it exists.

Look back at Copernicus etc. Who knows - in 500 years we may find our own model of how the laws of physics work is just as flawed. I'm sure that if the human race still exists they will have amended and disproved a lot of what scientists nowadays accept as "fact" which are actually all just theories anyway.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 28/05/2022 10:26

Elphame · 28/05/2022 10:09

One of the (many) problems with Reiki is that it doesn’t seem to accord with the laws of physics. That’s really a major issue.

The supposed “energy” is a completely unknown phenomenon. There’s no plausible mechanism for creating a new form of energy, and no evidence that it exists.

Look back at Copernicus etc. Who knows - in 500 years we may find our own model of how the laws of physics work is just as flawed. I'm sure that if the human race still exists they will have amended and disproved a lot of what scientists nowadays accept as "fact" which are actually all just theories anyway.

And none of that counters the fact that Reiki breaks the laws of physics as we now know them, that it is completely implausible, and that it has been proven not to work.

Your argument is equivalent to saying we should believe someone’s claim to have a unicorn because new species have been discovered in the past.

GregBrawlsInDogJail · 28/05/2022 10:45

So an energy force is so omnipresent, so powerful, and so palpable that people can be taught to use it to change other people's bodies pretty quickly and can still do so when the other body in question is thousands of miles away. But despite our exhaustive studies of e.g. molecular structure, the electromagnetic spectrum, the fabric of the universe, science has completely failed to spot its existence?

That's hilarious 😁Curious how this energy force also can't get it up in properly blinded rigorous studies too, ain't it.

CupidStunt22 · 28/05/2022 11:48

Elphame · 28/05/2022 10:09

One of the (many) problems with Reiki is that it doesn’t seem to accord with the laws of physics. That’s really a major issue.

The supposed “energy” is a completely unknown phenomenon. There’s no plausible mechanism for creating a new form of energy, and no evidence that it exists.

Look back at Copernicus etc. Who knows - in 500 years we may find our own model of how the laws of physics work is just as flawed. I'm sure that if the human race still exists they will have amended and disproved a lot of what scientists nowadays accept as "fact" which are actually all just theories anyway.

Saying "its all just theories anyway" shows you know nothing about science, methodology, or how any of this works.

It's pure bunkum, and we all know it.

Burgoo · 28/05/2022 11:52

Most of it is bullshit. If they did rigorous, randomly controlled trials on these things they would likely prove no more effective than placebo (because that is exactly what it is). That's why practitioners are evasive of scientific study and claim that what they do is "outside of the understanding of science" or some other crap.

doadeer · 28/05/2022 12:49

Loopytiles · 28/05/2022 08:41

there’re lots of cheaper options for help with relaxing.

What do you use?

I have chronic pain and my nervous system is constsntly in a state of panic. I use many strategies to get into a deep state of relaxation, I actually write about trialling lots of different methods. I've spent 4 years exploring many options out there

GregBrawlsInDogJail · 28/05/2022 12:55

Burgoo · 28/05/2022 11:52

Most of it is bullshit. If they did rigorous, randomly controlled trials on these things they would likely prove no more effective than placebo (because that is exactly what it is). That's why practitioners are evasive of scientific study and claim that what they do is "outside of the understanding of science" or some other crap.

We don't have to say "if": we have, and reiki is indistinguishable from placebo.

It's also worth remembering that for decades the magician and "debunker" James Randi had a $1m prize posted for anyone who could demonstrate, under lab conditions, evidence of the paranormal or unexplained. Demonstration of reiki healing power would have qualified. He tested a number of people over the years; they all failed. (The prize was withdrawn in 2015, after Randi retired and it was decided that the money would be used as research grants, but if any of our confident reiki masters in this thread wanted, they could have become millionaires before then.)

CupidStunt22 · 28/05/2022 13:02

I'm still waiting for an answer re why they don't heal people from afar all the time if they can do it?

I mean, they seriously go through their lives seeing people with injuries and illnesses and just do nothing at all, even though they can heal people even from a distance? What's the justification for that?

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 28/05/2022 14:25

CupidStunt22 · 28/05/2022 13:02

I'm still waiting for an answer re why they don't heal people from afar all the time if they can do it?

I mean, they seriously go through their lives seeing people with injuries and illnesses and just do nothing at all, even though they can heal people even from a distance? What's the justification for that?

It’s weird, isn’t it, how it only seems to work on the most subjective of conditions; no-one’s using it to fix broken legs, or cataracts.

BeckyPlum · 19/06/2022 11:35

Hi, I’m a Reiki Practitioner, Mum and Wife and can passionately say that Reiki works! It may not be for everyone, as is true for other complementary therapies, but if it works for you then it can have amazing results. The problem is that as an energy treatment that works to calm and balance our mental, physical and emotional energy the effects are often very subtle but none the less very positive. Reiki only works when the Practitioner is thinking positive, loving thoughts due to the higher vibrations needed - think about how your whole body can feel buzzy when you’re full of joy or excitement. so it’s not possible to pass on negative energy/thoughts to the recipient.
Here’s some scientific studies showing its effectiveness…

There are evidence-based programes and research resources such as Reiki Medic-Care which is treating hospital medical professionals with distant Reiki and published evidence indicates that participants experienced statistically significant
improvements in stress, anxiety, pain, and wellbeing during the period of their treatments.
Natalie Dyer et. al., “Evaluation of a Reiki Program for Healthcare Workers Negatively Impacted by the Pandemic,” Global Advances in Health and Medicine 10 (2021), 50.

BeckyPlum · 19/06/2022 11:43

Personally I have a ‘Reiki box’ full of names of people and situations that I send distance reiki to as often as I can, but even Reiki Practitioners still have to make sure the kids get off to school, dinner is cooked, and earn a living seeing clients. We all try to do our bit when we can, and as another post mentioned if we were money grabbers rather than just people who care about others than we’d all be millionaires. All I can say is try it for yourself a few times so you can feel the difference it can make for you personally. Becky

Hornbostel · 19/06/2022 13:38

Did you bump this thread just to promote your psuedo-science? When do you start asking people for money to wave your hands at them over zoom?

CupidStunt22 · 20/06/2022 10:21

BeckyPlum · 19/06/2022 11:35

Hi, I’m a Reiki Practitioner, Mum and Wife and can passionately say that Reiki works! It may not be for everyone, as is true for other complementary therapies, but if it works for you then it can have amazing results. The problem is that as an energy treatment that works to calm and balance our mental, physical and emotional energy the effects are often very subtle but none the less very positive. Reiki only works when the Practitioner is thinking positive, loving thoughts due to the higher vibrations needed - think about how your whole body can feel buzzy when you’re full of joy or excitement. so it’s not possible to pass on negative energy/thoughts to the recipient.
Here’s some scientific studies showing its effectiveness…

There are evidence-based programes and research resources such as Reiki Medic-Care which is treating hospital medical professionals with distant Reiki and published evidence indicates that participants experienced statistically significant
improvements in stress, anxiety, pain, and wellbeing during the period of their treatments.
Natalie Dyer et. al., “Evaluation of a Reiki Program for Healthcare Workers Negatively Impacted by the Pandemic,” Global Advances in Health and Medicine 10 (2021), 50.

It doesn't work, and you're a bullshitting con artist.

orwellwasright · 20/06/2022 10:23

BeckyPlum · 19/06/2022 11:35

Hi, I’m a Reiki Practitioner, Mum and Wife and can passionately say that Reiki works! It may not be for everyone, as is true for other complementary therapies, but if it works for you then it can have amazing results. The problem is that as an energy treatment that works to calm and balance our mental, physical and emotional energy the effects are often very subtle but none the less very positive. Reiki only works when the Practitioner is thinking positive, loving thoughts due to the higher vibrations needed - think about how your whole body can feel buzzy when you’re full of joy or excitement. so it’s not possible to pass on negative energy/thoughts to the recipient.
Here’s some scientific studies showing its effectiveness…

There are evidence-based programes and research resources such as Reiki Medic-Care which is treating hospital medical professionals with distant Reiki and published evidence indicates that participants experienced statistically significant
improvements in stress, anxiety, pain, and wellbeing during the period of their treatments.
Natalie Dyer et. al., “Evaluation of a Reiki Program for Healthcare Workers Negatively Impacted by the Pandemic,” Global Advances in Health and Medicine 10 (2021), 50.

Stop ripping people off, you demented con artist.