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Are we heading for Economic Disaster and a Housing Crash??

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TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 15:39

Are we heading for Economic Disaster?

UK wage growth failed to keep up with the rising cost of living new figures show. Wages rose, but when taking rising prices into account, regular pay showed a 1% fall from a year earlier, the Office for National Statistics said. As the country heads into recession 1 in 5 companies are planning to sack workers. Many tech companies are slowing or outright freezing hiring, while others are going a step further and laying employees off. We are already seeing this happening as consumer spending is tightening which affects business’s profits This list could potentially be a thousand times longer if things do get worse in the economy and overall at the moment, consumer confidence is very low in the UK.

The Stock Market

Well, this is the worse start to a year since 1939. The markets have been bear for 7 consecutive weeks, this has only ever happened 5 times since 1929. We have seen Amazon lose 200 Billion in one day, Netflix down 70% and many more tech companies in decline, even major retailers like Walmart are significantly down. So with the stock markets in decline how does this look for the economy?
Well to be honest it doesn't look good at all and to be honest, it looks really bad.

What about this inflation monster

With rampant inflation at an all-time high in 40 years it just paints a darker picture. To be honest I really don’t see any easy way out of this one as we can’t just flick a switch and turn this inflation monster off. To be honest we really only have 2 choices. There is a bad choice and a worse choice. The bad choice is to fight inflation and let interest rates go up so everything will collapse. The worse choice is to continue to create inflation to avoid that and postpone to consequences of hyperinflation. If you look at the history books the last time we had inflation this high was from the late 60s through to the early 80s. WoW, that is a very long time and it created a lot of pain. The chairman of the fed in the early 80s Paul Volcker raised interest rates to 20% and by doing this he brought inflation back down. I do believe we are heading into a stagflation period by the end of this year, a recession with high inflation and high unemployment.

The Housing Market

Just like the stock markets, the housing market has been on steroids for the last 2 years. House prices have now hit their peak as for April growth was 0.3% which is a big drop if you compare to previous months of this year. Expect house prices to decline, although this will vary depending on where you live. Within the next 2 years we will see a housing crash like nothing before. All of this pent up demand we have seen during the pandemic will evaporate. You can forget the supply and demand argument because the economy is going to take a real significant downturn. The bond market is having its worst year in history and we are only in May. This will have a devastating effect on all housing markets. They are selling all over the world as interest rates are rising globally. This will hurt all financial assets. My advice is to people don’t get too confident about house prices not going down in the near future because you will be in for a big shock.

A lot of people are saying this is different to 2008

I agree this is much worse. Only this time around we have had a global pandemic, 100s of billions of money printed for QE, rampant inflation, the highest records recorded for personal debts, war, and supply chain problems.
This will be a lot worse than 2008, the demand for buying houses will just evaporate.

Unfortunately, all of this money that was printed during the pandemic which has created these artificial markets will be coming back to bite us all really hard. We are just at the beginning of a very long bumpy road.

The Russian – Ukraine war doesn’t look like it’s going to end anytime soon which is so sad for many innocent people whose lives have been turned upside down and destroyed. I think we should all start preparing for a turbulent couple of years.

Please share your thoughts on what you think may happen?

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yesthatisdrizzle · 21/05/2022 15:42

Please share your thoughts on what you think may happen?

What for?

RagzRebooted · 21/05/2022 15:45

I can't see house prices falling more than 10% (unfortunately, as I can't afford to buy one!) as there's a lot of foreign money, wealth funds and banks etc invested in property in this country.

If interest rates went up to 20%, many people would not be able to get a mortgage or pay the one they have, so that would be really tricky.

I don't know what will happen, I do know I'm not likely to be able to buy a house any time soon!

Smartsub · 21/05/2022 15:56

I think we are yes, we seem set up exactly like Black Friday to me, but no one else seems to think so.

I was working in finance at the time and it was truly traumatic, people lost everything in moments and others lost everything over the coming months, so hopefully I'm wrong.

Smartsub · 21/05/2022 15:58

Black Monday! 😆 Black Friday is something else

Ilikewinter · 21/05/2022 16:09

Please share your thoughts on what you think may happen?

Well nothing goods going to happen, Im even holding off buying a new car .... not impressed! 😫

Lilgamesh2 · 21/05/2022 16:12

It looks very bleak.

As you say, the mechanism to reduce the money supply to combat inflation is higher interest rates. But for a debt-laden economy like ours this is suicidal as it increases the cost of debt.

And yes we do have foreign money propping up our housing market but these issues are global. The indebtedness, lack of investment in energy over the past several years due to the green/ environmental agenda and supply chain issues are affecting all western countries. Much of the developing world will be suffering too, especially as impact of the Ukraine war will push millions toward starvation as they are a big exporter of food.

Shamplade · 21/05/2022 16:13

To be honest, this is just a drop in the ocean compared to the impact of climate change and we are doing F all to avert the worst case. Ridiculous temperatures in Spain today. So much if the world is going to be uninhabitable. Food scarcity will become a massive issue.

We voted for greed and profit above people and planet and we are heading for a shit storm. There are very wealthy people who have gained from the policies of the last few years and they will be ok. The rest of us are fucked. You reap what you sow.

ATadConfused · 21/05/2022 16:23

How many times today do you plan to post this?

What is your angle?

orwellwasright · 21/05/2022 16:28

I'm more worried about heading for an Inappropriate Use of Capitals crisis.

HappyHappyHermit · 21/05/2022 16:32

I think house prices will slow a bit but recover in a few years. I don't believe it will be all that bad. I, like others have said, am more concerned about environmental issues.

SoggyPaper · 21/05/2022 16:35

Are you determined to scare people into behaving in exactly the way that will bring about your direst predications?

tothemoonandbackbuses · 21/05/2022 16:41

I do remember reading after 2008 that nothing had changed and really we were just kicking the can down the road.
It doesn’t feel great atm but I don’t think it will effect everyone everywhere. The poorest members of society will be hit the hardest and I don’t think the majority of families with young children will fare (sp?) well as young children limit one’s ability to work

grxxxx · 21/05/2022 16:41

Which newspaper are you working for @TonyTeacake ? Do your research elsewhere you lazy Jurno

Lonelycrab · 21/05/2022 16:56

Tony tea cake you’ve been on loads of other forums with this stuff. Why?

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:25

Smartsub · 21/05/2022 15:56

I think we are yes, we seem set up exactly like Black Friday to me, but no one else seems to think so.

I was working in finance at the time and it was truly traumatic, people lost everything in moments and others lost everything over the coming months, so hopefully I'm wrong.

I agree it's a shame that the most people are not really aware of how really bad the financial crisis is. If you are better prepared for times like this you will be able to manage better.

I can imagine your job was very stressful during the 2008 crash.

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TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:28

Shamplade · 21/05/2022 16:13

To be honest, this is just a drop in the ocean compared to the impact of climate change and we are doing F all to avert the worst case. Ridiculous temperatures in Spain today. So much if the world is going to be uninhabitable. Food scarcity will become a massive issue.

We voted for greed and profit above people and planet and we are heading for a shit storm. There are very wealthy people who have gained from the policies of the last few years and they will be ok. The rest of us are fucked. You reap what you sow.

I totally agree with you. When you see on the news a hard working nurse on 40k a year with a mortgage and children having to use food banks. It's a disgrace.

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TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:30

Ilikewinter · 21/05/2022 16:09

Please share your thoughts on what you think may happen?

Well nothing goods going to happen, Im even holding off buying a new car .... not impressed! 😫

That's right, hold off buying a car because within the next 12 months they will have dropped in price dramatically. It's starting to slowly play out now.

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Cokehead · 21/05/2022 17:30

moneyweek.com/investments/investment-strategy/604881/the-moneyweek-podcast-with-barry-norris-how-to-invest-now

I found this quite an interesting take. But yes, I think we're in for a rough few years.

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:31

Smartsub · 21/05/2022 15:58

Black Monday! 😆 Black Friday is something else

Black Tuesday if you live in Australia or New Zealand.

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PurassicJark · 21/05/2022 17:34

What goes up usually comes back down. I've got another two years on my current mortgage rate, hoping that's enough time to ride out a recession if it happens. Probably not though.

World is fucked, financially and environmentally. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 17:36

Does all this mean it's the wrong time to move house?

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:37

Cokehead · 21/05/2022 17:30

moneyweek.com/investments/investment-strategy/604881/the-moneyweek-podcast-with-barry-norris-how-to-invest-now

I found this quite an interesting take. But yes, I think we're in for a rough few years.

Yes just read some of it and I agree if governments don't tame this inflation within a couple of years we can expect very high-interest rates.

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TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:38

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 17:36

Does all this mean it's the wrong time to move house?

That depends on many factors. Are you a FTB or are you selling your existing property and buying another?

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Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 17:41

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:38

That depends on many factors. Are you a FTB or are you selling your existing property and buying another?

Thanks for the response. Wanting to sell our house and move closer to family. But in two minds about it.

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:42

tothemoonandbackbuses · 21/05/2022 16:41

I do remember reading after 2008 that nothing had changed and really we were just kicking the can down the road.
It doesn’t feel great atm but I don’t think it will effect everyone everywhere. The poorest members of society will be hit the hardest and I don’t think the majority of families with young children will fare (sp?) well as young children limit one’s ability to work

That is right we have been kicking the can down the road for 14 years. Super low interest rates and a large percentage of people with a mountain of debt. Not forgetting all of the QE too.

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