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Are we heading for Economic Disaster and a Housing Crash??

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TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 15:39

Are we heading for Economic Disaster?

UK wage growth failed to keep up with the rising cost of living new figures show. Wages rose, but when taking rising prices into account, regular pay showed a 1% fall from a year earlier, the Office for National Statistics said. As the country heads into recession 1 in 5 companies are planning to sack workers. Many tech companies are slowing or outright freezing hiring, while others are going a step further and laying employees off. We are already seeing this happening as consumer spending is tightening which affects business’s profits This list could potentially be a thousand times longer if things do get worse in the economy and overall at the moment, consumer confidence is very low in the UK.

The Stock Market

Well, this is the worse start to a year since 1939. The markets have been bear for 7 consecutive weeks, this has only ever happened 5 times since 1929. We have seen Amazon lose 200 Billion in one day, Netflix down 70% and many more tech companies in decline, even major retailers like Walmart are significantly down. So with the stock markets in decline how does this look for the economy?
Well to be honest it doesn't look good at all and to be honest, it looks really bad.

What about this inflation monster

With rampant inflation at an all-time high in 40 years it just paints a darker picture. To be honest I really don’t see any easy way out of this one as we can’t just flick a switch and turn this inflation monster off. To be honest we really only have 2 choices. There is a bad choice and a worse choice. The bad choice is to fight inflation and let interest rates go up so everything will collapse. The worse choice is to continue to create inflation to avoid that and postpone to consequences of hyperinflation. If you look at the history books the last time we had inflation this high was from the late 60s through to the early 80s. WoW, that is a very long time and it created a lot of pain. The chairman of the fed in the early 80s Paul Volcker raised interest rates to 20% and by doing this he brought inflation back down. I do believe we are heading into a stagflation period by the end of this year, a recession with high inflation and high unemployment.

The Housing Market

Just like the stock markets, the housing market has been on steroids for the last 2 years. House prices have now hit their peak as for April growth was 0.3% which is a big drop if you compare to previous months of this year. Expect house prices to decline, although this will vary depending on where you live. Within the next 2 years we will see a housing crash like nothing before. All of this pent up demand we have seen during the pandemic will evaporate. You can forget the supply and demand argument because the economy is going to take a real significant downturn. The bond market is having its worst year in history and we are only in May. This will have a devastating effect on all housing markets. They are selling all over the world as interest rates are rising globally. This will hurt all financial assets. My advice is to people don’t get too confident about house prices not going down in the near future because you will be in for a big shock.

A lot of people are saying this is different to 2008

I agree this is much worse. Only this time around we have had a global pandemic, 100s of billions of money printed for QE, rampant inflation, the highest records recorded for personal debts, war, and supply chain problems.
This will be a lot worse than 2008, the demand for buying houses will just evaporate.

Unfortunately, all of this money that was printed during the pandemic which has created these artificial markets will be coming back to bite us all really hard. We are just at the beginning of a very long bumpy road.

The Russian – Ukraine war doesn’t look like it’s going to end anytime soon which is so sad for many innocent people whose lives have been turned upside down and destroyed. I think we should all start preparing for a turbulent couple of years.

Please share your thoughts on what you think may happen?

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rosesandrolltops · 21/05/2022 17:42

We're close to exchanging on a massive upsize house for us. DH works in finance. We have had a 5 year fixed mortgage approved. Should I be worried?

yesthatisdrizzle · 21/05/2022 17:43

ATadConfused · 21/05/2022 16:23

How many times today do you plan to post this?

What is your angle?

They haven't decided on an angle yet...

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 17:44

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 17:41

Thanks for the response. Wanting to sell our house and move closer to family. But in two minds about it.

Would a house be more expensive nearer to your family?

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Earlydancing · 21/05/2022 17:47

Cue reading responses inthe Daily Mail or the like. 🙄

D0lphine · 21/05/2022 17:50

Yes I think we're headed to an economic disaster.

I don't worry about it though as why would I? Nothing can be done except save as much as poss.

I guess Maybe Get a job in an "essential" area if you can. Ie supermarket is safer than a restaurant.

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 17:51

Maybe slightly. We only bought the house 2 years ago and it's has gone up by 10% - 15% because of the market rather than anything we've done. So might be a bit more pricey but only by 10% or so. No change in salary or savings in that 2 years so we are still in same financial position - we just bought in the wrong area. But we could stay put for a couple more years if it was financially stupid/risky as we are not unhappy here - just miss family a little and want to be settled before our DC start school

Sorry for life story but I struggle to find any independent advice on this. Both my DH and I are a tad naive about this stuff.

carefullycourageous · 21/05/2022 17:53

rosesandrolltops · 21/05/2022 17:42

We're close to exchanging on a massive upsize house for us. DH works in finance. We have had a 5 year fixed mortgage approved. Should I be worried?

The only answer anyone can gove is 'it depends' - on various things such as how big is your deposit, what % of your monthly pay will your mortgage payments be, how much you have saved in case of job losses/pay cuts.

I think everyone is very worried about the financial future, consumer confidence is very low - that doesn't mean every transaction is the wrong one.

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 18:00

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 17:51

Maybe slightly. We only bought the house 2 years ago and it's has gone up by 10% - 15% because of the market rather than anything we've done. So might be a bit more pricey but only by 10% or so. No change in salary or savings in that 2 years so we are still in same financial position - we just bought in the wrong area. But we could stay put for a couple more years if it was financially stupid/risky as we are not unhappy here - just miss family a little and want to be settled before our DC start school

Sorry for life story but I struggle to find any independent advice on this. Both my DH and I are a tad naive about this stuff.

Yes, they are so many different variables to think about. Do you have a fixed mortgage and if yes for how many years? Is your mortgage portable?

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doublemonkey · 21/05/2022 18:00

OP, you forgot about Monkey Pox/Hen Flu/Something Else pandemic which is just around the corner.

It's not a Black Swan if you know about.

Ridingthegravytrain · 21/05/2022 18:02

Yes

TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 18:03

doublemonkey · 21/05/2022 18:00

OP, you forgot about Monkey Pox/Hen Flu/Something Else pandemic which is just around the corner.

It's not a Black Swan if you know about.

After the last pandemic, you never know what is around the corner.

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doublemonkey · 21/05/2022 18:08

After the last pandemic, you never know what is around the corner.

The continuation of the massive wealth transfer. We'll be squeezed and wrung out like dish rags.

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 18:16

Fixed mortgage for 5 years. Two years down. 50% equity in the house. I just don't understand how house market crash is bad for the home owner (I see that is has impact on economy) but surely if your house crashes in price everyone else's does too so moving would be proportional. If I make any sense

carefullycourageous · 21/05/2022 18:27

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 18:16

Fixed mortgage for 5 years. Two years down. 50% equity in the house. I just don't understand how house market crash is bad for the home owner (I see that is has impact on economy) but surely if your house crashes in price everyone else's does too so moving would be proportional. If I make any sense

You will have lost money - it is your equity that is gone first - this is never great.

Many people get trapped and can not move.

MangoMaddie · 21/05/2022 18:32

carefullycourageous · 21/05/2022 18:27

You will have lost money - it is your equity that is gone first - this is never great.

Many people get trapped and can not move.

On the other hand, until you sell you haven't lost anything, so provided you can keep up the mortgage payments you can just ride it out.

TooManyPJs · 21/05/2022 18:35

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 18:16

Fixed mortgage for 5 years. Two years down. 50% equity in the house. I just don't understand how house market crash is bad for the home owner (I see that is has impact on economy) but surely if your house crashes in price everyone else's does too so moving would be proportional. If I make any sense

The biggest issue is for people who cannot keep up their mortgage payments and are in negative equity. A more likely scenario if interest rates sky rocket.

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 21/05/2022 19:04

Crashes are inevitable with a debt-based monetary system, and you can only bail out banks so many times. I think the next crash will be the final one, and I think it will be replaced with a social credit scheme like China has. I think purchases in the future will be tied to your digital identity and social credit score and if you lack either one, you won't be able to buy or sell legally.

I think this will occur over the next decade.

LadyLolaRuben · 21/05/2022 19:15

We had the boom and bust of the 90s, Black Monday in the 00s. 1980s were terrible. Every decade has its financial challenges. House prices up and down each time, along with unemployment rates. Ask older generations they've seen it all before. Its a case case of sitting tight each time and helping those where we can who struggle. Secret to minimising the impact of a financial crash is to not over commit your finances. During economic downturn people and business need to invest in themselves ready for when things improve. All easier said than done I know. But this is all part of life

Lilgamesh2 · 21/05/2022 19:19

Deargod89 · 21/05/2022 18:16

Fixed mortgage for 5 years. Two years down. 50% equity in the house. I just don't understand how house market crash is bad for the home owner (I see that is has impact on economy) but surely if your house crashes in price everyone else's does too so moving would be proportional. If I make any sense

The risk is that if you have a mortgage you could end up owing the bank more than your house is worth, which is a little depressing really.

Not to mention that recessions come with high unemployment so many people wouldn't be able to pay their mortgage anyway, so those people have to sell and get wiped out.

Lilgamesh2 · 21/05/2022 19:27

I expect we'll hear a lot less from the environmentalists as the year goes on.

People underestimate the number of sectors that are reliant on fossil fuels. It is not just for fuel and electricity. Nitrogen based fertiliser upon which the world has relied to feed its growing population over the past 50 years is directly derived from natural gas. The agenda to reduce investment over the last decade in fossil fuel production is directly leading to some of the fertiliser - and in turn food - shortages on a global scale that we are seeing and will continue to see. Yes the war in Ukraine has worsened this situation significantly but the foundations of this crisis lie in the green agenda and will lead to the starvation of millions of people around the world this year.

TheHateIsNotGood · 21/05/2022 19:28

Would you please be kind enough to shorten your post into specific issues? I don't have a 'blanket', one-size fits all view on every issue you raise.

Is there something in particular that interests you - interests you enough to ask random Mnutters for their views? Ask away OP.....

ClaudiusTheGod · 21/05/2022 19:57

Well, this is the worse start

No, it’s the WORST start. Learn your grammar.

Tony, go and be a boring bloke somewhere else.

doublemonkey · 21/05/2022 20:55

ClaudiusTheGod · 21/05/2022 19:57

Well, this is the worse start

No, it’s the WORST start. Learn your grammar.

Tony, go and be a boring bloke somewhere else.

No need for this nasty comment. If you're not interested in the OPs thread don't read or post on it.

balalake · 21/05/2022 21:21

Economic recession yes, housing crash no.

Worryinglyworried73 · 21/05/2022 21:33

The fact that on every single housing thread on mumsnet, everyone says there isn’t going to be a crash and definitely no more than 10% means there is definitely going to be a crash and it’s going to be more than 10% 😂