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Are we heading for Economic Disaster and a Housing Crash??

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TonyTeacake · 21/05/2022 15:39

Are we heading for Economic Disaster?

UK wage growth failed to keep up with the rising cost of living new figures show. Wages rose, but when taking rising prices into account, regular pay showed a 1% fall from a year earlier, the Office for National Statistics said. As the country heads into recession 1 in 5 companies are planning to sack workers. Many tech companies are slowing or outright freezing hiring, while others are going a step further and laying employees off. We are already seeing this happening as consumer spending is tightening which affects business’s profits This list could potentially be a thousand times longer if things do get worse in the economy and overall at the moment, consumer confidence is very low in the UK.

The Stock Market

Well, this is the worse start to a year since 1939. The markets have been bear for 7 consecutive weeks, this has only ever happened 5 times since 1929. We have seen Amazon lose 200 Billion in one day, Netflix down 70% and many more tech companies in decline, even major retailers like Walmart are significantly down. So with the stock markets in decline how does this look for the economy?
Well to be honest it doesn't look good at all and to be honest, it looks really bad.

What about this inflation monster

With rampant inflation at an all-time high in 40 years it just paints a darker picture. To be honest I really don’t see any easy way out of this one as we can’t just flick a switch and turn this inflation monster off. To be honest we really only have 2 choices. There is a bad choice and a worse choice. The bad choice is to fight inflation and let interest rates go up so everything will collapse. The worse choice is to continue to create inflation to avoid that and postpone to consequences of hyperinflation. If you look at the history books the last time we had inflation this high was from the late 60s through to the early 80s. WoW, that is a very long time and it created a lot of pain. The chairman of the fed in the early 80s Paul Volcker raised interest rates to 20% and by doing this he brought inflation back down. I do believe we are heading into a stagflation period by the end of this year, a recession with high inflation and high unemployment.

The Housing Market

Just like the stock markets, the housing market has been on steroids for the last 2 years. House prices have now hit their peak as for April growth was 0.3% which is a big drop if you compare to previous months of this year. Expect house prices to decline, although this will vary depending on where you live. Within the next 2 years we will see a housing crash like nothing before. All of this pent up demand we have seen during the pandemic will evaporate. You can forget the supply and demand argument because the economy is going to take a real significant downturn. The bond market is having its worst year in history and we are only in May. This will have a devastating effect on all housing markets. They are selling all over the world as interest rates are rising globally. This will hurt all financial assets. My advice is to people don’t get too confident about house prices not going down in the near future because you will be in for a big shock.

A lot of people are saying this is different to 2008

I agree this is much worse. Only this time around we have had a global pandemic, 100s of billions of money printed for QE, rampant inflation, the highest records recorded for personal debts, war, and supply chain problems.
This will be a lot worse than 2008, the demand for buying houses will just evaporate.

Unfortunately, all of this money that was printed during the pandemic which has created these artificial markets will be coming back to bite us all really hard. We are just at the beginning of a very long bumpy road.

The Russian – Ukraine war doesn’t look like it’s going to end anytime soon which is so sad for many innocent people whose lives have been turned upside down and destroyed. I think we should all start preparing for a turbulent couple of years.

Please share your thoughts on what you think may happen?

OP posts:
hattie43 · 22/05/2022 07:57

Maybe just change the lottery rules .

No one family needs millions , split it up to say £250k and that would make a significant difference to most people .

Takeitonthechin · 22/05/2022 08:03

I read that because of interest rates rising this could cause a switch in the housing market, so instead of it being a sellers market, it could turn to be a buyers market as there will be more houses for sale than buyers. This in turn could cause house prices to fall

Wrongkindofovercoat · 22/05/2022 08:13

A rather morbid thought but maybe the increase in heatwaves might have the unfortunate side effect of mitigating the need for an increase in spending on social care/NHS.
The elderly and those with certain chronic conditions are most at risk during these extreme weather events. Is there a government plan to help these people during these times ?

Lilgamesh2 · 22/05/2022 08:17

Wrongkindofovercoat · 22/05/2022 08:13

A rather morbid thought but maybe the increase in heatwaves might have the unfortunate side effect of mitigating the need for an increase in spending on social care/NHS.
The elderly and those with certain chronic conditions are most at risk during these extreme weather events. Is there a government plan to help these people during these times ?

Goodness! If we're thinking like that then this winter might have the same impact when people can't afford to heat their homes. Confused

Staynow · 22/05/2022 08:26

I'm almost 50 and I'd love the bloody interest rates to go up - making 0.01% on our current account and nothing worth mentioning on any savings account. We've been seriously saving since we paid off our mortgage and it makes very little but I don't want to put it in anything more risky and chance losing big chunks. At the sort of interest rates we had in the 70's (8/9%) we'd be making several thousand a year.

I'd also be very happy for housing prices to crash - doubt it would ever happen but I'd be very happy about it. Our house would be worth much less - but if we sold it to buy somewhere else that would be much cheaper too. What it would mean would be that first time buyers (ie our kids) would have a chance - and there will always be those people coming through who want to buy.

BigGreen · 22/05/2022 08:35

The original limits to growth model predicted that growth permanently stops in the 2020s. I wonder if we're here. link

Climate and planet are everything, we cannot go on like this. It's going to be messy if we don't take the closing window to decarbonise at any cost.

StickyFingeredWeeNed · 22/05/2022 08:41

I used to think the same as you OP, was on HPC in the early noughties.

but I’ve been made aware of an astonishing number of people in the uk (7 figures) who have between 50k and 5 million in CASH assets and I’m just not sure anymore.

sure, some of us will be crying into our 10th porridge meal of the week - but for literally millions it’ll be BAU.

Beancounter1 · 22/05/2022 08:49

BigGreen · 22/05/2022 08:35

The original limits to growth model predicted that growth permanently stops in the 2020s. I wonder if we're here. link

Climate and planet are everything, we cannot go on like this. It's going to be messy if we don't take the closing window to decarbonise at any cost.

Yes, the current economic woes are just the tip of the iceberg. Economic growth has permanently gone into reverse, on a global scale, obvs with variations in some regions / sectors, where things are better or worse than average.
It is downhill all the way from here.

Read 'The Party's over' by Richard Heinberg, or 'The Long Emergency' by J H Kunstler.

Goldenbear · 22/05/2022 09:05

Yes, I agree with the observations a PP has made. There is a huge gap now between the richest and poorest, bigger than it has ever been, the wealth is held on to by a huge number of people and government in place accommodates that and has normalised that scenario.

Clavinova · 22/05/2022 09:37

LaurieFairyCake
I think they should:
Impose a windfall tax as most other European countries have done

Most other European countries have not imposed a windfall tax (yet) - a few have, including Spain, Italy, Bulgaria and Romania.

ABitConfused123 · 23/05/2022 14:45

I think the next while will be tough for a lot of people.

Expecting to see more people struggling coming into the autumn with the need for more fuel to heat homes. I also know a few people who can just about afford their mortgages on the low fixed deals they are on. I'm not sure what they will do when the fix ends if interest rates are significantly higher.

Arbitrage · 23/05/2022 17:22

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ICanSmellSummerComing · 23/05/2022 17:37

@Staynow

Have you considered.stocks and shares ISA invest in index funds?

Even in crashes mine have stayed surprising boyant! Well above any bank interest rates?

Usually 30 / 35 % , at moment went to 11% and went back up to around 17...

TonyTeacake · 23/05/2022 23:29

Worryinglyworried73 · 21/05/2022 21:35

And I remember the 80’s and the 90’s crash where no one thought housing would ever crash etc etc

interest rates need to be more than inflation to get things under control- it will crash the entire economy though as the national debt is over 100% of GDP.

I agree it will crash the economy but I do think that is the way it is going whichever route they take.

I can tell you the state of the economy is a lot worse than most people are realising. The BOE have got all their predictions wrong about inflation and will panic by the end of the year when they see inflation isn't going down, so the only thing they can do is be more aggressive in raising interest rates which could be 10% by the end of 2023.

A massive housing crash coming within the next 2 years. Property prices have increased over 20% in 2 years, now that is insane and it is not sustainable. In some areas expect between 30-50% drop. I know most of you will say no way but I can tell you the economy is going to collapse and we will be having a really deep recession.

Tenants won't be able to service their rents and many landlords will struggle and sell up losing lots of money.

I just hope this tory mob create a windfall tax on these energy companies and help the poorest in our society because these are the one's who are unfortunately suffering.

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RingRingRed · 24/05/2022 01:39

Nothappyatwork · 22/05/2022 06:07

There is as much government money to bail out the housing market as the government has an appetite for, none of the numbers exist they’re all made up numbers on a screen the money isn’t real.

what’s actually happening here is over lockdown people were paid not to work people also thought of other ways of driving income baking cakes selling puppies they saved an absolute fortune by not going to work. People became quite self sufficient and enjoyed a simple life.
And now naturally nobody wants to go to work for the man.

Well the powers that be can’t have that can they ? so the only way to force people is to announce that there’s a recession on, put up the cost of food and fuel, make everybody shit themselves and go back to the office and accept that they’ll be working for 20% less than they were last year due to inflation and tax rises but actually it’s business as usual that’s the truth of it .

That is not the truth of it 😂

Yes, increase absolutely everything so that people will go back to the office. FFS, any other conspiracy theories to share?

Prices increased because of supply chain delays, now there's going to be supply chain shortages. The whole world is in a precarious situation, the war in Ukraine will be what tips us over.

Vikinga · 24/05/2022 02:48

Shamplade · 21/05/2022 16:13

To be honest, this is just a drop in the ocean compared to the impact of climate change and we are doing F all to avert the worst case. Ridiculous temperatures in Spain today. So much if the world is going to be uninhabitable. Food scarcity will become a massive issue.

We voted for greed and profit above people and planet and we are heading for a shit storm. There are very wealthy people who have gained from the policies of the last few years and they will be ok. The rest of us are fucked. You reap what you sow.

This

3luckystars · 24/05/2022 07:43

I used Karl Jeacles mortgage calculator online to see the effect an interest rate rise would have on the mortgage.

ABitConfused123 · 24/05/2022 08:36

What interest rate rise on mortgages do you think is likely?

fring · 24/05/2022 08:50

I see 3-3.5% but not much more.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 24/05/2022 09:30

orwellwasright · 21/05/2022 16:28

I'm more worried about heading for an Inappropriate Use of Capitals crisis.

Agreed, along with OPs inability to distinguish worse from worst -
Well, this is the worse start to a year since 1939.

Seriously though OP - WTAF is this post for? Are you trying to be the Soros, Vikki Price? Why do it here?

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