Do you believe in the paranormal..??

[rollwiththetimes]

So I know this is VERY controversial.. but I have just had an experience I cannot explain.

I was in the living room, tv on and relaxing on my own. I am the only one in my house tonight. DP is working away so I've settled in for a night in front of the telly to catch up on rubbish tv

Anyway. I was relaxing alone when I saw what I can only explain to be a gentleman, wearing long overalls leaning up against the kitchen door, back towards me. He looked completely real, solid.. not the way you expect a typical ghost to look 🤣😅

Anyway. I sat there, completely frozen. I didn't know what to do, just in complete shock. I blinked and rubbed my eyes so many times thinking at some point, this man would go. But no. He stood there still, facing away from me.

Eventually he turned slowly to face me.. but in this effortless glide. Does that make any sense?! It was like the hand on a clock, just a smooth motion. It was really strange.. he looked right at me, in the eye.. smiled and disappeared just as quickly as he appeared.

I am dumbfound!! I've never experienced anything like it before. I don't know what to think. Am I going mad?! I'm not tired, haven't been drinking... I'm so confused! What could this mean?!

I'm sleeping here alone tonight. I don't think I want to!

I don’t understand how ghosts are wearing clothes. Do they have a ghost wardrobe? Do they have to wear what they died in?

@Prettypennies

I would imagine it depends on why they are haunting the living world?
Like if they are lost or tormented then maybe they would wear what they died in, but if they are just visiting then maybe anything they had worn at one time in life if it was appropriate for where they were?

My friend asked me if I would go with her to babysit her 6 month old grand daughter, for compay. Her daughter was on a hen do for the night.
Turned out it was more because she was scared, as her daughter had a lot of spooky things happen. Childrens voices on the baby monitor, water being turned on and off, presents under the tree being opened, cups being lined up on work surfaces overnight..... her daughter was trying to get a transfer as she was very unsettled.
Anyway , we were sitting on the sofa with the door open, all of a sudden a ball came rolling past, then the baby walker, then a pull along type toy, then a duplo piece hit my friend on the head (apparentlythere was no diplo in the house), we practically pooped ourselves, we went and got the baby and slept downstairs all night.
Her daughter wasn't at all surprised when we told her.
Anyway, the final straw was a while later she was pushed down the stairs, holding the baby, fortunately both ok, but she left there and then, managed to get another place.
This maisonette she lived in was brand new and built on farmland.
Believe what you will, but I knew what I saw, and with a witness.

@Rubyupbeat - that is terrifying.

I do believe in the paranormal. Have had a couple of experiences within our family.

There is a grandfather clock that belonged to my Great Auntie, it was sentimental- a wedding present to my great grandparents. My Aunt gifted this to my dad (they were very close). As a child, I had insomnia and couldn't stand the clock chiming, so parents no longer wound it up and it stayed silent on the top of my parents wardrobe for years. My great auntie died and on the night of her funeral the clock started chiming and both my parents heard it in bed.

Another time, we were staying at a campsite up near Blackpool, it had the oddest, most depressing vibe ever and I just hated it. I couldn't sleep and was wide awake and I saw bright shadowy light outside our Awning and a childlike voice saying it hurts over and over again. I woke my dad up, he investigated it and there was no lights on or nothing. My parents think I had a nightmare but I was honestly wide awake.

Also my grandad passed away this year and a few nights after his death, I has the most vivid dream that I was standing hugging him in his kitchen and he said he loved me. I woke up crying. It was probably my brain processing grief but it was such a lovely dream, I like to think it was his goodbye

but there are certainly things in this world beyond logical explanation

No - there are certainly things in the world which are probably beyond my explanation, or that of most people, but I am not, for example, a psychiatrist, or a civil engineer, or an acoustics expert, or an astro-physicist.

There's loads of stuff I can't explain, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that just because I don't know what it is or what caused it that there can't be any logical explanation for it.

@AffIt

Psychiatrists can’t explain this kind of stuff. Your talking about the people who still electrocute peoples brains to make them “better” and used to attach bizzare abstract meaning to dreams.

People have been seeing ghosts for all time, long before psychiatry ever made up reasons for things they don’t understand.

Chances are their is scientific logic to it, we just need the right sort of scientist to explain the logic and facts of how x happens,

Psychiatrists have never electrocuted people (because that would be illegal), but very very occasionally they may give electric shock therapy as an absolute last resort where other treatments have failed. I don't think much dream analysis goes on either...

Psychiatrists are medical doctors who specialise in diagnosing and then treating mental health issues with medicine.

And they CAN explain some of "this kind of stuff". Very well in fact. For example, a psychiatrist can explain sleep paralysis and hypnogogic/hypnopompic hallucinations, which account for many people's supposed hauntings.

Sorry, that was in response to @Tamzo85

I think you are in a muddle. ECT can be very helpful in some cases and is not electrocution! Also it would a psychologist that would look at possible meanings in dreams.
Psychiatry and psychology are both fascinating as is stories of the paranormal and why people believe different things. People are amazing.

@rollwiththetimes did you manage to get an appointment?

i look at it this way : an ant on the floor does not know we exist - it’s brain is probably very minute and so could not even comprehend the human world. We as humans are very intelligent in comparison to other animals, but there might be beings or another world that is far beyond the realms of our brain capacity. We are only just, in recent years, on the brink of discovering a black hole in space - where is the perimeter of the universe? Is there even a perimeter to the universe or does it go on for ever and ever and ever?

my point is that there are some things that even the most intelligent of people cannot yet know or comprehend (talking about Astronomers etc.)

No. There has never been a verifiable sighting.
Science is aboe to prove ghosts can't exist.
www.sciencealert.com/a-physicist-just-explained-why-the-large-hadron-collider-disproves-the-existence-of-ghosts

So if you definitely saw this strange man in your house, what was it that stopped you A. Screaming, or at least B. Exclaiming "who the fuck are you?"

I can't imagine seeing a strange man in my empty house and just rubbing my eyes repeatedly.

@Mandodari but this does not prove ghosts, or whatever we want to call them, don't exist.

Electric shock therapy is pretty common amongst those hospitalised both involuntarily and even voluntarily, it’s not some obscure thing. And it is electro curing someone’s brain, that’s what an electric shock to the brain is. And I said they used to do dream meanings. Point being they’re really not some hard science that can prove anything about ghosts by examine peoples minds.

@TabithaTittlemouse

Right so they’re gonna hook up electric shocks to peoples brains and really have no idea what it actually does or it’s long term effects, but these are the people who are going to explain why ghosts are just in peoples minds or why they can decipher the meanings from dreams like witch doctors but also tell you why ghosts aren’t real?

@Tamzo85

And I said they used to do dream meanings.

I presume you are referring to Carl Jung, who was admittedly a psychiatrist by training, but is better known as a psychoanalyst, which is a very specific branch of the field and, to some extents, more closely related to philosophy than medicine.

You also seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about ECT? Why is this?

@AffIt

Because it’s insane to send shocks into peoples brains without understanding what your actually doing? But I don’t have a “bee in my bonnet” about it, I was using it as an example of psychology and psychiatry hardly being the be all end agold standard when it comes to proving what exists - being that they do bizzare things like that which are like a hold over from measuring peoples skulls to analyse them and other Victorian era stuff.

Why would I believe them if they say they can explain ghosts?

@Tamzo85 Okay buddy, you do you.

@AffIt actually I used to work in psychiatry as a nurse before changing over to medicine and yes ECT has been proven to have benefits for the brain of depressed people, but let’s not forget that even psychiatrists do not fully understand the workings of the brain or indeed what causes the auditory hallucinations - only that they’ve found an excess of dopamine in the autopsy of a schizophrenic.
and actually if you listen to Danny Robbins podcast “uncanny” there is a geneticist on there who actually experienced the paranormal for himself and cannot, as much as he has tried, come up with a logical explanation for it. His fellow students also experienced it.
as I said above, no matter how intelligent the most intelligent human is, there are simply many things we either don’t yet know or may never know.

Yeah, okay. You obviously know more than the best physicists in the world.
I'll leave you to your beliefs.

I don’t believe, no. But my father had an experience of seeing a “ghost”. He didn’t actually call it a ghost but that’s what he described. He was an anaesthetist. And before that, he did a chemistry degree. My point being he was a rational, intelligent scientist who had an experience he couldn’t explain.

I believe there are some phenomena that have not been explained by science alone. and maybe cannot be ever be. Just to play devil’s advocate - if paranormal experiences are simply down to a neurological, psychiatric, biological, perceptual or human process of misinterpretation at some level - how come not all people who report these experiences have gone on to develop full blown health conditions along these lines? Obviously it’s accepted that experiencing these can be indicators of underlying health/neuro problems. No argument about that. But what about those who don’t? Do those who believe in a strictly scientific explanation put it down then still to a transient human processing error due to say stress, lack of sleep, medication side fx etc? What about unrelated people who have experienced identical phenomena in the same place? Ruling out of course, confirmation bias & ghost stories of particular places say, that would prime visitors to look out for & misinterpret along those lines? Must everything be explainable? Do we really believe we know everything? I certainly subscribe to being a rationalist, but am happy to admit my own limitations and inability to be able to know & explain everything. I think to undermine or rubbish alternative theories & those that hold them is reductive & a display of arrogance or superiority at some level. Or maybe simply a human need to be in a position of control over our environment. Which is understandable, just not necessarily possible & foolhardy to think that it is IMO.

But if you saw a patient in a hospital in their gown or pyjamas, or someone in modern clothes in the street you wouldn't see anything out of the ordinary and you wouldn't think "ghost" or paranormal as it would just be, well, normal!