To not feel proud of my country at the moment?

[Livingtothefull]

I really want to be proud - there are plenty of things to be proud of in the UK (great people/culture/heritage) - but the way we are governed at the moment just sickens me.

We have a liar and a criminal as Prime Minister, I can't bear the sight or sound of him now. 'Partygate' showed us just how much contempt he has for the British public. People are facing huge cost of living rises and poverty, and the Government offered nothing to help address this in the Queen's speech.

The latest is their proposal to break international law.

By the way the Monarchy was shown up as the useless and empty institution it is through the prorogation of Parliament episode, far from a supposed guardian of democracy. I don't have anything against the RF personally, but as an institution it has presided over all of this and yet has nothing to say about it all.

I am sick of hearing about the Jubilee as well, I see nothing to celebrate in what we have all been through over the past couple of years and are facing now. 'Rich privileged woman lives a long time' does not mean anything imo, in the context of the huge numbers of people who have died before their time due to Covid. Many of them elderly and vulnerable people in care homes - where the Government has recently been found (again) to have broken the law by putting them in harm's way.

Neither the UK or GB are countries.

If I were English, I wouldn't be proud. They English voters have made some awful voting decisions in the past few years and have ended with the worst possible government, unfortunately a decision that affects the other countries of the UK.

I'm Scottish, we don't vote for Tories and we didn't vote for brexit. We have a devolved govt that is trying hard to mitigate for the cruel policies of the Tories but have one arm tied behind their back. I'm proud to be Scottish and would like Scotland to leave the union with England join the EU as soon as possible. We can't allow ourselves to be sucked any deeper into what the people of England vote for.

Same. I'm really surprised that so many people don't seem to see an issue with this? Your government is poking NI with stick, are you not really concerned about civil war breaking out within the UK?

I'm absolutely with you. It's a disgrace how our 'leaders' behave and they get away with it time and time again. It's appalling that such a wealthy nation has so many people struggling, and it's disgusting that the government repeatedly takes no responsibility for the welfare of its citizens.

As for the jubilee, I just DGAF really.

The last time I felt proud of this country was the 2012 Olympics, our athletes winning gold in their own country & everything has gone downhill ever since. Theresa May started the downfall & when we got landed with Boris we might as well have all jumped off a cliff as he won't be happy until he has got inflation up to about 30% & doesn't give a shit about anyone who isn't worth millions or went to Eton. He is making sure Europe will never want anything to do with us again by breaking international law, has lied in Parliament & got away with it. The Jubilee is just one moneymaking exercise, we have a dysfunctional family who are waited on hand & foot, who are super rich & we are expected to bow & scrape to them. They sit in their palaces while ordinary people are having to make the decision whether to eat or be warm, there are people sleeping on the streets, it is 2022 for gods sake, when will someone wake up & realise we are in a major cost of living crisis?

Completely agree with this. I do not know what the Govt think they are playing at in NI, and the lack of response is further evidence that many UK people are in deep denial.

I get where you are coming from especially in respect of Boris and his cronies. He doesn’t give a toss about anyone apart from his rich mates. The working class and poor really do not matter to him and I feel so much anger towards this as I work in social care and see the effects first hand.

Some posters on here seem to be in denial about how angry many people actually are. Obviously a raw nerve has been touched somewhere.

not a raw nerve at all

just a separation of what I see irl and yours and other posts on mn - which admittedly are frequent, ashamed of U.K. posts have been going strong for a while

but no what I see is a community with neighbours wanting to do something together, not necessarily royalists, ‘flag wavers’ or ‘apologists’

Jusr normal every day life - happy to have interaction (which was shut diwn not long ago) and a bit of sharing and kindness

I don’t see the anger because no one is expressing it. You can be angry and ashamed if you like as can others

It's depressing how many people disagree with you OP, that acceptance and complacency is exactly why we are where we are. 'at least its not north Korea' written as a genuine comment. My mind boggles. Oh that's OK then...

I think a lot of posters live in their own comfortable bubble and don’t see the wider picture.
I don’t use public transport for instance but can see how dire it has become.
I rarely need to see my GP but in the rare occasion I do I have to jump through hoops for a 5 minute phone call appointment.
im in Wales, secondary education here has been second rate even before covid.
As for the Royals, I threw parties for both William’s and Harry’s wedding, but the Epstein / Andrew debacle and the way the Queen has buried her head in the sand has made me reevaluate my thoughts in the Royals.
I will enjoy 4 days off work though and count my blessings.

I don’t know Wales well and it may have more issues but I’m in SE London and we it’s a mixed community, not completely a bubble with lots of wealth. People who have been here for ages on low incomes and new people coming in with more

Community seems important though, which I do appreciate, people are kind and nice generally

we use PT a lot and it’s good here and GP fine. I get that Wales might have it worse on those counts though

In my town we currently have to ‘book’ buses if we need one as they’ve stopped running regular routes.

Well said.

The country certainly could be found better for many people but a day of celebrations for many is welcomed from all walks of life

and the UK being a laughing stock 🙄 we are not that significant it’s such a self absorbed notion to think other countries care that much

there is a war going on and the impact is huge for many countries and we are still in a pandemic but the focus is so much on the UK oh please 🙄

I see the Statue Topplers have come out in force as usual.

Completely agree with you OP. Can’t believe how many people can be mollified so easily by an extra bank holiday / day off work when everything is going to shit and we’re saddled with a government unwilling to do anything to help. I’m lucky I’m currently not being too badly affected (can currently still pay my bills and feed myself and my children) but it’s pretty fucking sad that that’s the best a lot of people can hope for. That should be a given in this country in this day and age.

Yanbu at all

I agree with you. At least 3 teenagers in my local area have died by suicide in the last month. It’s disgraceful that it’s got to this point.

Could you try and make things better in your community, every little helps and all that, celebrate the good stuff

Yet another snide comment and no willingness to engage with the arguments. And just as a reminder, the people who toppled that statue were recently found not guilty. Maybe you think a statue in the centre of a city which glorified a slave trader was just fine.

I'm pissed off that the street party organisers where I live are shutting the road through our village. I'm working on the bank holiday and will have to drive miles out of my way to get there. Grr..not everyone has a day off!

That said, I think it's important to separate resentment at how the country's run and communities getting together for a bit of a laugh.
No one I know is in awe of the government or wants to spend the day thanking the queen.
A bit like having a knees up up at Christmas despite being a committed atheist.

Bitterness can eat you up and ends up with you taking your anger out on the people around you.

Yanbu OP.

We’ve become little engerlund, governed by the hollowed out shell of the conservatives that is now in effect UKIP. This is where rose tinted faux patriotic bullshit gets you. It’s a one trick pony that’s done it’s trick and doesn’t know what to do now apart from clutch a Union Jack. And here we are, one of the top stories in the Mail today arguing for English independence. Lol.

The xenophobes and the racists are happy. That’s about it.

Most of what made me proud of this country, it’s inclusiveness, it’s kindness and our ability to set a good example has evaporated with these clowns in charge. Race to the bottom is what we’re now seeing.

@Georgeskitchen ahh, that old chestnut. Yes, everyone is struggling at the moment but not on the same scale as us! It’s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

@Livingtothefull I feel exactly the same as you, I was saying so just yesterday. I’m ashamed of the country and the population in general that have allowed this mess to happen by electing this shitshow and voting for Brexit. I used to be proud of this Britain in general, but we are going backwards fast. YANBU or miserable.

Oh, and in case you come back with a sarcastic remark about the war, I’m referring to the cost of living and energy prices. In any case, countries being worse off than us shouldn’t mean that we should just be grateful with the current situation when much more can be done. It’s a disgrace.

I think voters in England have made it very, very clear they couldn't give a shit about peace in NI. It's a complete irrelevance to them.