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Lee Anderson, Ashfield MP insists Jack Monroe has made a fortune on the backs of the poor.

736 replies

newnamethanks · 15/05/2022 16:47

AIBU to hope for a libel trial as entertaining as Vardy v Rooney and an outcome that rivals the Katy Hopkins debacle?

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Rantypanties · 15/05/2022 22:56

@Tilltheend99 stop making this a left vs right thing. It is ridiculous to assume that because I dislike Jack I must be ‘on the right’. She’s trying to make this lawsuit a left vs right/working class vs middle class to deflect from her lies, and yet I don’t know anyone from any background, having to sell their Omega Seamaster watch to pay the rent. She is not working class and that’s not even the worst lie she’s told!!

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/05/2022 22:56

Wrongkindofovercoat · 15/05/2022 21:57

So he left college at 19 after doing a course in shipping management ? and then followed his Father down the Pit , 2 years after the miners strike started in 1984, worked there for 10 years and left at 29 in 1996 ?
I struggle with the fact that nobody can come up with the name of the mine he worked at , I know the name of the mine my Grandfather worked at and he has been dead for nearly 40 years.
If he worked down the Pit for 10 years, the name of said mine should be common knowledge surely ? If it isn't, why ? I know he switched sides politically and the Conservatives were, how shall I put it , not previously well thought of in Ex Mining communities for fairly obvious reasons, but if you worked a pit , surely it would be a big part of your story ?

Well, Silverhill closed in the 1990s. Sutton/Brierly closed in 1989. It's not the law that somebody has to work at one pit all their life, whether doing the actual underground stuff or being above ground doing something else like transport (no idea if that's what he did, it's a guess based upon a qualification in shipping management). I think if he'd been making it up, it would have come out long before when he was in the Labour Party.

Smileyaxolotl1 · 15/05/2022 22:57

Blinky21
judging by the evidence of this thread it appears that Monroe likes to take charity money to line her own pockets whereas the Tories don’t help the poor and give them unwelcome advice.
jack doesn’t have a moral high ground here.

Icimoi · 15/05/2022 22:58

WarnerSisters · 15/05/2022 22:49

The money donated was spent on buying copies of her book

HER book

Did the food banks say they wanted it? That it was useful? That their users wanted it? More than, say, using that donated money to get, say, food?

And as a PP has pointed out, she gets royalties on those book sales. She didn’t use her author discount to buy books and donate them herself. She asked for handouts from the public to gain royalties for herself and inflate her sales figures.

Charitable indeed!

By the same token, did food bank users say they wanted lessons in budgeting and cookery? The trouble is that in Anderson's view they and their children shouldn't be allowed to eat unless they attend them.

MaryAndHerNet · 15/05/2022 23:02

Icimoi · 15/05/2022 22:58

By the same token, did food bank users say they wanted lessons in budgeting and cookery? The trouble is that in Anderson's view they and their children shouldn't be allowed to eat unless they attend them.

The cooking lessons are offered, not compulsory.

What I'd like to know is, given the propensity for sharing their lif e on SM, where are all the stories and photos of Jack preparing packages for the poor? Where's the tweets featuring her delivering packages? Wheres the hours she's out in to actually help her local trussel trust?

If she spent time doing minimum wage as she does cyber panhandling, she'd be earning plenty in no time.

Theluggage15 · 15/05/2022 23:04

What legal representation are you talking about Blinky? The stuff made up in her head? And what he said is only defamatory if it’s untrue. Don’t need a degree in media law to know that. I am looking forward to the court case although obviously it will never happen.

Villagewaspbyke · 15/05/2022 23:05

Wrongkindofovercoat · 15/05/2022 22:29

why do you think Lee Anderson is “of dubious provenance”? Because he was a coal miner? Because he “bagged himself” a seat in parliament?

A coal miner at a pit with no name ? There can't have been many pits left open during the time he was working at one, so it can only have been one of a few ?

I’ve no idea where he worked@Wrongkindofovercoat I am asking op why she thinks he has “dubious provenance”.

do you have any information on where he worked?

Dodgygeezer · 15/05/2022 23:09

@blinky21
If your 'media law qualification' did include a section on defences to libel, which it appears not to have done, I suggest you ask for your money back. Honest opinion anyone?

FartyBrainedHippo · 15/05/2022 23:10

Why does she need PayPal handouts for a Pro-bono case? (or is it no win no fee?). She posted a link asking for money again for the case, but deleted it after Laurence Fox sent her a fiver.

cakeorwine · 15/05/2022 23:10

The course is NOT compulsory

@SavoyCabbage

He clearly misled the House then

Lee Anderson

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention, as he makes a perfect point. Not only is it a great deterrent, but the longer those people are locked up in prison, the longer they cannot commit these horrible crimes.
As I was saying, the hon. Member for St Helens North made some great comments about food banks. My invitation is to every Opposition Member: come to Ashfield, work with me for a day in my local food bank and see the brilliant scheme we have in place. When people come for a food parcel now, they have to register for a budgeting course and a cooking course. We show them how to cook cheap and nutritious meals on a budget; we can make a meal for about 30p a day, and this is cooking from scratch

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, as he makes a great point. Indeed, it is exactly my point, so I invite him personally to come to Ashfield to look at how our food bank works. He will see at first hand that there is not this massive use for food banks in this country. We have generation after generation who cannot cook properly—they cannot cook a meal from scratch—and they cannot budget. The challenge is there. I make that offer to anybody. Opposition Members are sitting there with glazed expressions on their faces, looking at me as though I have landed from a different planet. They should come to Ashfield, next week or the week after, and come to a real food bank that is making a real difference to people’s lives.
I will end now, because Opposition Members are not listening; these are a generation of MPs who never listen. The bad news is that this Labour party is out of control and out of touch, but , thankfully, it is out of power. That is me done, Mr Deputy Speaker.

yesitssea · 15/05/2022 23:10

Blinky21 · 15/05/2022 22:50

The legal representation is pro bono. What he said is clearly defamatory (I have a qualification in media law) so Jack has every right to sue. If you can't tell the difference between the Tories' attitude to the poor and Jacks then you are beyond help

This is the bit I am confused about.

Which bit is libellous? He said she took money from poor people. She does have a tip jar and a PayPal and a Patreon. Some of the people who paid into it are likely poor.

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 23:11

Blinky21 · 15/05/2022 22:50

The legal representation is pro bono. What he said is clearly defamatory (I have a qualification in media law) so Jack has every right to sue. If you can't tell the difference between the Tories' attitude to the poor and Jacks then you are beyond help

jacks attitude to the poor is what exactly?

Wrongkindofovercoat · 15/05/2022 23:11

@NeverDropYourMooncup

Well, Silverhill closed in the 1990s. Sutton/Brierly closed in 1989. It's not the law that somebody has to work at one pit all their life, whether doing the actual underground stuff or being above ground doing something else like transport (no idea if that's what he did, it's a guess based upon a qualification in shipping management). I think if he'd been making it up, it would have come out long before when he was in the Labour Party.

I am not saying he is making it up or that he didn't work at more than one pit, given how quickly they were closing down in his mining career, that is very likely, isn't it ?.

His own Conservative homepage says he followed his Father down the pit, and lots of PP have mentioned he was a coal miner. Given his age and when he says he left the industry, Silverhill and Sutton/Brierly could have been places he worked at. I accept that he might not have actually gone underground and mined and might have worked in an above ground capacity doing transport or the like.

I still find it odd that not one pit name is mentioned. Perhaps I shouldn't be though.

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 23:13

yesitssea · 15/05/2022 23:10

This is the bit I am confused about.

Which bit is libellous? He said she took money from poor people. She does have a tip jar and a PayPal and a Patreon. Some of the people who paid into it are likely poor.

She states that she has a niche market. Her niche market is poor people.

I don’t think it’s libellous. She has made money off exploiting poor people. By pretending to be poor, by still pretending she is poor and aiming her whole business at poor people.

JemimaTab · 15/05/2022 23:17

donquixotedelamancha · 15/05/2022 22:42

She does nothing but line her own pockets by making loads of noise about poverty, because who could argue with that as a cause? But she actually doesn’t DO anything to help it.

That's not true, she's had fundraisers for food banks. The money donated was spent on buying copies of her book for the food banks- could be more charitable than that?

Exactly - BUYING copies of her books. So she was paid. She likes to gloss over this and suggest that she donated the books, but they were bought by members of the public, so she benefited

cakeorwine · 15/05/2022 23:21

Exactly - BUYING copies of her books. So she was paid. She likes to gloss over this and suggest that she donated the books, but they were bought by members of the public, so she benefited

Last time I checked, her recipes are free to access on the internet

cookingonabootstrap.com/

Food banks, anyone seems free to access them, print them off etc

A range of cheap to cook recipes.

What is it about her that annoys some people?

Her activism in the trans community?
Her libel suit against Hopkins?

Andromachehadabadday · 15/05/2022 23:23

cakeorwine · 15/05/2022 23:21

Exactly - BUYING copies of her books. So she was paid. She likes to gloss over this and suggest that she donated the books, but they were bought by members of the public, so she benefited

Last time I checked, her recipes are free to access on the internet

cookingonabootstrap.com/

Food banks, anyone seems free to access them, print them off etc

A range of cheap to cook recipes.

What is it about her that annoys some people?

Her activism in the trans community?
Her libel suit against Hopkins?

She also sells books.

If you read the thread you will see why people dislike her.

It’s so lazy, when the information is right here in the thread, to pull the ‘is it cause she supports trans people’.

Joeblack066 · 15/05/2022 23:24

Clymene · 15/05/2022 16:53

Not going to happen. He's not wrong.

Care to explain this comment?

Luculentus · 15/05/2022 23:26

Anderson clearly thinks that the cooking and budgeting lessons are compulsory, and celebrates that fact. This is what he wrote (and the spelling mistake is his):

“Today I challenged the whole Parliamentary Labour Party to come to Ashfield to visit the food bank I work with. They give food parcels away on the condition they enrole for cooking and budgeting lessons."

cakeorwine · 15/05/2022 23:26

She also sells books.If you read the thread you will see why people dislike her.
It’s so lazy, when the information is right here in the thread, to pull the ‘is it cause she supports trans people

Nothing wrong with selling books.

She did upset Hopkins - who has a lot of supporters out there.

JemimaTab · 15/05/2022 23:27

Her website only has one recipe dated after 2018. But she has published 3 books since that date. So no, not all her recipes are free on her website.
(And in fact they never were. Only a selection, not all recipes.)

donquixotedelamancha · 15/05/2022 23:28

Last time I checked, her recipes are free to access on the internet

Yes, I was referring to specific fund raising she's done a couple of times to buy copies of her books for food banks.

Her activism in the trans community?

She's not trans. She was for a bit. I am not aware of her doing any activism apart from being interviewed. Was there something else?

ermagerdabear · 15/05/2022 23:29

Last time I checked, her recipes are free to access on the internet

GOOD POINT! Which kind of begs the question why she felt the need to crowdfund £20,000 to send copies of her books to food banks. Really makes you think 🤔

cakeorwine · 15/05/2022 23:30

JemimaTab · 15/05/2022 23:27

Her website only has one recipe dated after 2018. But she has published 3 books since that date. So no, not all her recipes are free on her website.
(And in fact they never were. Only a selection, not all recipes.)

And yet this is from last month

cookingonabootstrap.com/2022/04/25/easy-zero-waste-veg-peel-stuffing-roast-12p/

Joeblack066 · 15/05/2022 23:30

JemimaTab · 15/05/2022 23:17

Exactly - BUYING copies of her books. So she was paid. She likes to gloss over this and suggest that she donated the books, but they were bought by members of the public, so she benefited

She gave many copies free to foodbanks, got Asda to return Smart Price food to their stores, and spent many many hours doing the Vimes Boots Index as the RPI included champagne and £10 ready meals ffs! She gives much of her stuff away for free online, and sells books to people who WANT to buy them, enabling her to continue her philanthropy. What is your problem with that?
if you think that Jack Monroe is an enemy of the people and that Lee Anderson (who claimed £220k of expenses in a year and thinks you can eat for 30p) is a hero, you have some serious cognitive reasoning problems.