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To think we have a real chance this year with Eurovision?

161 replies

itsnotmeitsu · 13/05/2022 22:27

I love the Sam Ryder song and the official video. I think that, if it wasn't for politics, he would have a good chance of being in the top five. Whatever the outcome, I think the video for the song should be used for the 2022 John Lewis Christmas advert 🙂. Whatever the outcome, well done Sam > you're brilliant.

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PortiaFimbriata · 13/05/2022 22:58

Solid left hand side of the board I'd say.

lljkk · 13/05/2022 22:59

You mean a chance not to have nul points?
Ukraine's entry is eye-catching on stage but I'd find it forgettable otherwise. Like most of them, sorry, including UK.

I'm just catching up on Youtube.
I like the Iceland song. Portugal & Armenia are ok too.

Latvia, Moldova, Finland & Norway, omg, is there a "most comical category" ?

WeasilyPleased · 13/05/2022 23:00

Ukraine will win.
We'll get nil points because everybody hates us.
Sam is really creepy.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 13/05/2022 23:03

Ukraine will win. UK will be towards the bottom as usual. Nothing against Sam - fair play to him. Just reality.

InChocolateWeTrust · 13/05/2022 23:05

As pp have said, it's not really about the music, this year more than ever.
Ukraine could have fielded a stuck pig painted blue & yellow and we would all have voted for Ukraine because it's a public show of support.

ilovesooty · 13/05/2022 23:06

Everybody hates us

Nothing to do with the fact that for years we have made no effort to research, produce a decent song and market ourselves in Europe?

LisaSimpson77 · 13/05/2022 23:06

Yep Ukraine will win no matter what their songs like and tbh that's completely fine!!
I hope we do respectably or at least get a few points this year... it would be nice 🤷🏽‍♀️

pastabest · 13/05/2022 23:07

Ukraine will win and UK will the host next year by proxy.

Its the only chance we have of hosting it any time soon so might as well.

Bromeliadh · 13/05/2022 23:08

Ukraine could just make fart noises for three minutes and they’d still win.

Sometimeswinning · 13/05/2022 23:47

So Ukraine will be hosting next year?? Let's all try and remember how Eurovision works!!

PortiaFimbriata · 13/05/2022 23:51

When and if they win, Ukraine would presumably get another country to host in their place. It's happened several times before, on grounds of cost or size. If Australia ever won then a European nation would be stand-in hosts.

custardbear · 13/05/2022 23:56

Honestly I feel it's more politics than singing ... don't bet on UK or Russia (not that they're in lol!)

Sometimeswinning · 13/05/2022 23:56

PortiaFimbriata · 13/05/2022 23:51

When and if they win, Ukraine would presumably get another country to host in their place. It's happened several times before, on grounds of cost or size. If Australia ever won then a European nation would be stand-in hosts.

I'll be honest. I think this will be the last thing on their mind! I was being a little light hearted with my comment.

OytheBumbler · 13/05/2022 23:57

The uk might win and then everyone in Europe will hate us even more for stealing a much needed victory for Ukraine.

Despite that, I hope Sam does well. He's the best chance we've had in years.

milkyaqua · 13/05/2022 23:58

Lovely song for a change, but the UK as usual needs much help with the staging.

AchatAVendre · 14/05/2022 00:01

Its not a strong year for Eurovision and I think UK could maybe get 5th or 6th this year, which would be a big improvement. The song is a bit bland but Sam is a great singer and although the UK is going with the record company promoted solo male singer yet again, at least it is a decent one this year. And they've even got a prop for the stage performance which again, they haven't bothered with in recent years.

CharlotteRose90 · 14/05/2022 00:10

Ukraine won’t win because they can’t host next years show safely . I’m not voting for the uk either, we’re always crap.

ilovesooty · 14/05/2022 00:18

If you're in the UK you can't vote for them anyway.

Abraxan · 14/05/2022 00:19

CharlotteRose90 · 14/05/2022 00:10

Ukraine won’t win because they can’t host next years show safely . I’m not voting for the uk either, we’re always crap.

Not being able to host doesn't mean a country can't/won't win. It will be held in another country in their behalf, it's happened before.

Fluval · 14/05/2022 00:29

Duchess379 · 13/05/2022 22:54

Adele could be representing us with an absolute belter of a song & we'd still be awarded 'nil points'.

We’ve only ended up with nul points twice, and one of those was that horrifically off-key Jemini performance.

AuntTwacky · 14/05/2022 00:35

We never do well in Eurovision

Dauncets · 14/05/2022 00:40

It's a nice enough song but that's what we always do: nice enough songs and it tends not to go very well for us because everyone else puts in a bit more effort.

Agree that Ukraine will probably win, although Bosnia didn't when they competed while genocide was going on in their country.

It needing to be held elsewhere next year won't be an issue - after all, it was supposed to be held in Armenia this year but they've had their own war going on since they won it (with their aggressor abetted by Ukraine) so it's gone to Italy instead.

ilovesooty · 14/05/2022 00:42

Why was it supposed to be held in Armenia this year? Italy won last year.

Rafting2022 · 14/05/2022 00:42

It’s nul points not nil points.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 14/05/2022 00:50

Ukraine will win and UK will the host next year by proxy.

I was thinking this too. The two foregone conclusions seem to be that Ukraine will win but that they won't be hosting next year, especially as plans have to start being made as soon as the win is announced, as it takes a year to get everything in place. In fact, sadly, there's no guarantee that Ukraine will be in a position to host at all for a number of years - it's hardly going to be top of their priority list, is it?

As to where we will finish, I genuinely think that our previous hopes of triumph over adversity have been just patriotic over-optimism; but this year, the bookies (currently) have us down as coming second. Of the 25 countries in the final, 20 of them are reckoned to have a 1% chance or less of winning. Bookies don't get mega rich by not (generally) knowing what they're talking about, as they quite literally have to put their money where their mouth is.

Thinking ahead to 2023, the rules state that only up to 6 countries are automatically allowed to qualify: the host (if not one of the Big 5) and the Big 5. I suppose it partly depends on whether the country where it takes place is regarded as the (interim) host or whether it is considered that Ukraine is hosting but just in a 'borrowed' location - in the way that San Marino have stated they would hope to 'borrow' a stadium over the border in Italy, should they ever win, considering that the capacity of the Rotterdam stadium was twice as many as SM's entire population!

However, I seriously doubt Ukraine would have the financial resources anyway, let alone the obvious geographical 'issue'. Even amongst countries that are prospering and at peace as normal, the cost of hosting is a killer and a source of fear for all but the few wealthiest nations that also have sizeable populations - hence the existence of the Big 5 in the first place.

I don't think anybody would disagree that, having won in 2022 - largely as a gesture of international solidarity and support - Ukraine's qualification in the final in 2023 should be absolutely guaranteed, but they can hardly turn to the nation hosting/funding it in 2023 and deny them automatic qualification either. That suggests that, unless the rules are changed to allow 7 automatic qualifiers, the ersatz host nation will have to be one of the Big 5. I would guess that Italy might not be a contender, as hosting it two years running would mean a huge cost for them and also maybe seem unfair (should they even be willing, considering reason 1).

Therefore, I propose that the UK should step in as the ersatz host nation for 2023, for the following 5 reasons, which include an absolute minimum of 2 good ones:

  1. If the predictions are right, we will be the highest-placed of the Big 5;
  2. We have a solid history of being the default alternative host, without quibbling, when another country can't afford it/doesn't want to/is unable to - having done exactly that for Eurovision four times in the past, despite not having won the previous year, even though one of those nations pleading poverty was France!;
  3. Our main language is already the language of Eurovision: official rules state that all presenters and people helping with organising and hosting at all levels MUST speak English (along with, ideally, the (main) language of the host country) - and we have by far the largest pool of native English speakers to draw from;
  4. The (initialised) name of our country and our 'national weather' are both already included in the name of Ukraine - if that isn't an undeniable harbinger, I don't know what is;
  5. My family would love to attend the live event, and we don't have passports.
Case closed!!