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Can I take a puppy into a shop?

429 replies

manzolini · 11/05/2022 11:48

A non-food shop so like matalan, new look, next etc as long as she is in a sling and doesn't touch the floor?

OP posts:
TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 16:52

PugInTheHouse · 15/05/2022 16:46

Of course training dogs to be on their own is important but that is for around 4 hrs, not for 10!

That is absolutely ridiculous! Almost every house in Australia has a dog, and 99% of us can't all pop home every 4 hours! And very few people bother with something as absurd as a 'walker' when the dog is in it's own backyard! Like I said the UK is so messed up!

Astralitzia · 15/05/2022 16:57

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 16:50

That's all very sad.

And NO, there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between a dog and a cat. The only difference is the attributes people ascribe to dogs, infantilising them and babying them.

You mean apart from being two entirely separate species?

You may as well say there's no difference between men and women.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:01

Astralitzia · 15/05/2022 16:57

You mean apart from being two entirely separate species?

You may as well say there's no difference between men and women.

Dogs and cats have approximately the same so-called 'socialisation' requirements. They aren't going to drop dead by being on their own for 10 meagre hours.

PugInTheHouse · 15/05/2022 17:01

Why is it sad, its fair on the dogs. I am glad I live in a country that treats their dogs better personally. I also know what you have said is untrue regarding people leaving their dogs at home all day in Australia.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 15/05/2022 17:02

And NO, there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between a dog and a cat.

Apart from them being totally difference species 😂

NellesVilla · 15/05/2022 17:03

@TalkingCat , quite frankly, you are speaking a load of shite and you know it, surely? Or are you a troll? I know many Aussies who would never leave their dog alone for 4 hours +.

Of course you can’t leave a poor dog alone for the entire day- it’d be abusive to do otherwise. I really hope you don’t genuinely do this. Dogs do need interaction and get bored and distressed when alone for too long- anyone with half a brain or an ounce of decency would know this.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 15/05/2022 17:04

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:01

Dogs and cats have approximately the same so-called 'socialisation' requirements. They aren't going to drop dead by being on their own for 10 meagre hours.

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I want more for my pets than for them "not to drop dead" 🙄

Astralitzia · 15/05/2022 17:04

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:01

Dogs and cats have approximately the same so-called 'socialisation' requirements. They aren't going to drop dead by being on their own for 10 meagre hours.

Ah, so we've moved from "there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between dogs and cats" to "dogs and cats have approximately the same socialisation requirements" in the space of what, 15 minutes?

Always good to see someone coherent who knows what they're talking about.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:09

NellesVilla · 15/05/2022 17:03

@TalkingCat , quite frankly, you are speaking a load of shite and you know it, surely? Or are you a troll? I know many Aussies who would never leave their dog alone for 4 hours +.

Of course you can’t leave a poor dog alone for the entire day- it’d be abusive to do otherwise. I really hope you don’t genuinely do this. Dogs do need interaction and get bored and distressed when alone for too long- anyone with half a brain or an ounce of decency would know this.

It's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about about, and cannot understand other cultures. In Australia we work full time, we do leave our dogs at home. We have nice weather and we mostly have decent sized backyards that have a kennel/enclosed area with toys, water, kibble, grass to go to the toilet on.

I even posted an article from the RSPCA Australia that talks about training your dog to be at home, how to leave in the morning, how to come back at night. IT IS THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE ON THE RSPCA SITE!!!! Are you accusing them of trolls too, simply because you are ignorant of anything outside the UK? You deep ignorance and arrogance is sad. You are truly wrong. Of COURSE you can leave a DOG alone for the entire day! Stop being so ridiculous.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:12

Try not to make a fuss of your dog when you leave in the morning or when you arrive home at night.

www.rspcaqld.org.au/~/media/rspca/animal%20fact%20sheets%202019/0fshome%20alone.ashx?la=en

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:14

The insular culture ignorance on here is bizarre! The idea of not being able to leave your dog for longer than 4 hours simply DOES NOT EXIST in Australia. FFS not everyone is as backward as the UK.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:16

Is it against the law to leave a dog at home alone in Australia?

No, its not illegal to leave your dog at home. Many people have backyards they can leave them in so they can run around and amuse themselves, my dog has his 2 cat friends and a couple of ducks to keep him company, he always has access to water and room in the yard to do his business. We don't feel the need to lock him inside the house as he prefers to be outside. He has a comfortable bed and shelter from the weather. Its rare that we go away but when we do, there is someone coming in twice a day to check on him and to check on his water and feed him. He is very normal and has no neurotic tendencies.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:19

Dr Mandy Paterson, Principal Scientist for RSPCA Queensland advises a dog should not be left along for more than 48 hours.

PugInTheHouse · 15/05/2022 17:23

Yes and the UK RSPCA says no more than 4 hrs. Maybe you need to understand that there are differing views and you are not necessarily correct.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:25

*Leaving Your Dog Home Alone

Dogs love attention and love you being home with them. However, you may need to leave your dog home alone for all or part of the day.*
www.whitehorse.vic.gov.au/living-working/pets/dogs/dog-behaviour/leaving-your-dog-home-alone

Astralitzia · 15/05/2022 17:26

PugInTheHouse · 15/05/2022 17:23

Yes and the UK RSPCA says no more than 4 hrs. Maybe you need to understand that there are differing views and you are not necessarily correct.

But but but the UK is the "backwards" "insular" one!

It's a shame someone so forward thinking living somewhere as amazing as Australia can't understand different places have different rules.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:27

Train your dog early on.
Do not leave your dog alone for 8+ hours at once, start with just 5 minutes. You need to ease them into being alone.
Gradually increase their alone time.
This teaches your dog that you will leave but you always come back.

PugInTheHouse · 15/05/2022 17:27

No point in keeping quoting Australian guidance. The UK RSPCA guidance is very different so your argument is meaningless to those following the guidance in their own country.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:27

Astralitzia · 15/05/2022 17:26

But but but the UK is the "backwards" "insular" one!

It's a shame someone so forward thinking living somewhere as amazing as Australia can't understand different places have different rules.

Thank goodness I don't live in the UK.....

PugInTheHouse · 15/05/2022 17:28

Astralitzia · 15/05/2022 17:26

But but but the UK is the "backwards" "insular" one!

It's a shame someone so forward thinking living somewhere as amazing as Australia can't understand different places have different rules.

Quite!

coffeecupsandfairylights · 15/05/2022 17:29

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:19

Dr Mandy Paterson, Principal Scientist for RSPCA Queensland advises a dog should not be left along for more than 48 hours.

Yes, and has been explained to you numerous times, in the UK you would get your dog taken off your for neglect if you did that. You would probably also receive a ban on keeping animals if the case went to court.

I'm glad that the dog owners I know want more for their dogs than one visit in 48 hours - doing that is nothing to be proud of and just makes you (and this so-called expert) look neglectful at best, and abusive at worst.

But you crack on if that's the kind of dog owner you want to be 😉

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:29

PugInTheHouse · 15/05/2022 17:27

No point in keeping quoting Australian guidance. The UK RSPCA guidance is very different so your argument is meaningless to those following the guidance in their own country.

The point is I've been told I am a 'troll', that people 'don't' leave their dog alone at home for a full work day in Australia. I have been gaslit on here and told I am lying about my own country. Probably by nasty people who couldn't locate Australia on a map.

That, is why I am posting literature and guidance from Australia. To show I am not lying about Australia. I am not a troll. I am not making it up. It's just a different culture, lifestyle etc. No one wants to be told they are lying about their own country or trolling.

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:32

coffeecupsandfairylights · 15/05/2022 17:29

Yes, and has been explained to you numerous times, in the UK you would get your dog taken off your for neglect if you did that. You would probably also receive a ban on keeping animals if the case went to court.

I'm glad that the dog owners I know want more for their dogs than one visit in 48 hours - doing that is nothing to be proud of and just makes you (and this so-called expert) look neglectful at best, and abusive at worst.

But you crack on if that's the kind of dog owner you want to be 😉

And I am very glad I'm not in the UK with their so-called experts who clearly don't understand dogs. I wouldn't leave a dog for 48 hours, but anyone who thinks a dog can't be left the run of it's own yard, sunshine, water, kibble and toys for 8 hours clearly doesn't know what neglectful and abusive is.

Astralitzia · 15/05/2022 17:33

TalkingCat · 15/05/2022 17:29

The point is I've been told I am a 'troll', that people 'don't' leave their dog alone at home for a full work day in Australia. I have been gaslit on here and told I am lying about my own country. Probably by nasty people who couldn't locate Australia on a map.

That, is why I am posting literature and guidance from Australia. To show I am not lying about Australia. I am not a troll. I am not making it up. It's just a different culture, lifestyle etc. No one wants to be told they are lying about their own country or trolling.

You're the one who's said there's no difference between dogs and cats (demonstrably untrue) and that there's no such thing as dog walkers in Australia (demonstrably untrue).

If you don't want to be accused of trolling, perhaps stop posting outright bollocks?

Andonandonamdnn · 15/05/2022 17:45

ZeroFuchsGiven
Its not all for show. My old dog is in a pram. I use it to get her to places like the beach which she really enjoys and it stimulates her. Expected to leave her at home.just so people like you dont judge me ? Well no. Try thinking ....there.may be a reason . A lady looked at me daggers today when my old dog was being pushed down a hill she just cannot manage..
Op some shops are fine .. like b and q.