To think Prince William preaching about climate change is another example the monarchy should not exist

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Is he having a laugh? His wife and him parade around in designer clothes costing thousands of pounds, live on multiple properties, fly around the world often in jets and he is telling US to do our bit?

I had a chat with DH earlier and we thought it would be a good idea for the queen to hand straight to William but now I'm not sure either and just wish the lot of them would go away and cease to exist as a royal family.

They're taking the piss - when will we no longer stand for a monarchy?

Not tea with HRH TQ, that would be silly. It's proximity that the tourists clearly value. Actual presence is only for garden parties, Caribbean tours, the occasional pizza restaurant and so on.

Thanks for that. It confirms that they carried out official duties on seven out of eight days. The one day exception was for travel. Like I say, some of you have bloody low standards if that’s your idea of a holiday.

It's proximity that the tourists clearly value.

And the evidence for this is ...

And those official duties show why an heriditary RF is essential. It takes breeding and training from birth to be able to meet and greet, scuba dive and so on. I'd like to see some the republicans wave, wear different frocks, pay respects and take part like HRH's did on that Caribbean tour. You should all be grateful there's a George and Charlotte to safeguard these duties for decades.

Proximity - evidence. Look at tourism from 2020 to 2021 and possibly the first few months of 2022. HRH TQ is at Windsor and tourism falls off a cliff. Do you hate flag sellers? Do you want a balance of payments to be in deficit?

You know, I have actually witnessed commoners wearing frocks. I may have even seen one wave. So perhaps, in time, the Republican dream might come to pass.

How low shall we set the bar for our HoS performance? Or just admit there is no bar, it's a free for all because hey, Boris and Keir just take the piss from morning to night so that's what the UK should expect. All we deserve, right? We're all that thick, we'll just sit and listen to a bunch of useless hypocrites churning out ecobabble to save their mansions, and PAY THEM to do it.

But there's a simple test. HRH's wear frocks so well that the Daily Mail and Harper's publish photos. They have babies and weddings and anniversaries, not in that order, and the public metaphorically swoon. Gossip about affairs and surrogacy and fallings out is judged to be unfounded. Stands to reason. When commoners like WAGS and influencers do that then it's try hard. Waving, a highly under-rated skill. Changing the arm that holds a handbag to communicate gracefully with a lady who waits, can't be taught.

Quite a lot of people go to Versailles you know. Even though there is no actual royal family living there.

Why can't posters just stare that it's a "hate the Royal family" thread rather than trying to dress it up as something else?
So boring.

But the disappointment when they realise Louis and Antoinette aren't in residence is palpable. And that successor who was played by Orson Welles in Waterloo, I suppose.

Waving, a highly under-rated skill.

i think with extensive work it could be mastered by the smart ones. Call me a dreamer.

Lots of people I know are royalists and they all bring up the same arguments about the tourists they bring in and the Queen and not having a President and how they don't cost much and how it is what it is. They seem to just like what they stand for.
They are also quick to moan about Harry and Meghan (but not Andrew oddly enough.)
I think that if there was a referendum ( which is very unlikely) they would probably stay , but that's only going by the people I know who seem to want to keep them.

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If there were smart ones who could master waving, they might in Elisabethan times have the surname Fitz- and have been born to it.

I've an idea. Why don't we replace the royals with the cast of The Crown and have them host tea parties and entertain the tourists.

Perhaps involve the Downton Abbey actors as a 2 for 1 special

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Being a member of the RF is arduous and hard and tough. An actor would probably break. It takes training to cope. Think professional sportsperson x 1000 and instead of footballers passing a ball to get to the striker to score, it's like a grinding sequence of waving to frock waving to taking part to paying respects and there's no goal, only more of the same. Would a commoner be reasonably be expected to cope with that?

And instead of the occasional away match in Madrid or Barcelona it's never ending foreign trips to the Caribbean, Australia, USA. Without which, UK diplomacy would fail.

As someone with the surname Fitz- I’m intrigued. Mind you, I was once told I was a Royal Bastard, but My wave is pretty average. I would be a complete failure.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61374459

Just look at the first photo in this BBC article, synchronised, complementary waving. Top notch. That takes years of training.

You probably know already but it was a signal of those born outside marriage who still needed the respect due to a child of, for example, King Henry VIII. It's perhaps interesting how history might have been different as he had a son or sons and I think at one stage one of them was acknowledged and brought into power to some extent - Henry Fitz Roy, Duke of Richmond. I guess with the first name and surname, his mother or Henry was covering all bases.

The prefix Fitz is patronymic indicator used in Anglo-Norman England, it comes from the French word fils/filz and means son of. It is similar to Mc/Mac in Scotland and Ireland or bin/ibn in Arabic speaking countries.

@RoseWindow

We are in excess of 10,000x beyond carrying capacity. This is the equivalent of somebody with room and financial resources for 2 children, trying to bring up 20,000 children in their 3 bed home on their given income…..

qz.com/1347735/how-many-people-can-earth-support-its-carrying-capacity-isnt-infinite/amp/

The only way we have managed it is through fossil fuel use, science/tech, intensification of agriculture, GM food, pesticide use out of control, selective breeding of animals for highest yield and keeping them in dreadful conditions… look up broiler chickens…. Everything we are doing to sustain such an enormous population works only in the very short term. But we need a functioning planet for future generations.

For our presence on the planet to be sustainable there need to be substantially less of us.

People having big families who don’t know about it well there’s not much you can do… but population issues have been in the headlines for quite a while now.… for most people who acknowledge our position they want to make responsible choices.

Yes we need policy change on a huge level and people are not going to be fond of the change….

Have not read the article in detail but where do you get 10,000x? I saw - The Global Footprint Network calculates that humanity is currently exceeding Earth’s sustainable productivity by 60%.. I've seen 2-3 x. 10,000x would give a sustainable population of 800,000.