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Aibu to leave my partner over his use of adult work and messages to prostitutes?

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cbrenx · 04/05/2022 19:36

A really long one here but if you do manage to read I’d really appreciate it.

Last month I found out my partner, had messaged an escort asking about one of her services. I only found out because an email popped up on his phone when we were sat together that said payment made to adult work. I asked him to own up to what he was doing on this website (adult work) and he told me it was for tokens and to watch porn. I had a baby six months ago and we’d had sex once since she was born. But all week leading up to this message he knew I was prepping to get ‘intimate’ again after the baby, however in that same week I’d been suffering with my mental health a great deal as I’d just found out my other child is going to be assessed for autism, my mum ended up in hospital, I’d also just found out I am a high risk for cervical cancer and I’d just ended up being a nightmare to be around and irate and taking everything out on him. He was being so distant though, hardly wanting to discuss my feelings about what was getting me down and sleeping on the sofa some nights and even sleeping in a different room to me and the kids on a recent family holiday. Anyway, I’m not opposed to porn in some respects - but paying for it? When we have money troubles. anyway I dug deeper and found chats to prostitutes when I was pregnant last year, on one particular day. He swears it was talk and he was never planning to do anything with them. These messages were asking to meet, at 7pm! It didn’t seem like that to me. And he was asking them for services that I don’t do at home in the bedroom, if that makes any sense. So it seems sexual? This was when he was away from home for one day. A few months prior to him sending these messages we were having a really bad rough patch and he was diagnosed as clinically depressed and I do believe I played a part in this - I know it doesn’t give him the right to turn to a prostitute, or anyone for sexual favours for that matter. Maybe I’m trying to justify his actions or maybe he’d have done this anyway? I suffer from severe PTSD, OCD and anxiety which I have had minimal help for. My mental health troubles started around 4 years ago and have spiralled ever since. I manage to work and function, im a ‘functioning anxious person’ and I’ve said this before. But inside, every day I’m battling my head. During mine and my partners relationship I was taking a lot out on him, if he didn’t follow any of my OCD rituals I would be emotionally draining to him. (I have contamination ocd which peaked with covid).

My mental health issues stem from my previous child’s father, who cheated on me whilst pregnant with my first baby and gave me sti’s whilst pregnant. My partner is aware of this, so to even consider a prostitute when I’m pregnant makes me feel sick. Why would he potentially put me through the same experience that made me unwell? Prior to this with my previous child’s father, I’d never suffered with my mental health and was a glass half full, happy person and had had ‘normal’, long term relationships that were ‘healthy’. My current partner is my first partner since my abusive ex and he was aware of all of my mental health issues and toxic, emotionally and physically abusive past where I have also been raped, so to me sex isn’t something to take lightly. I laid all of my cards on the table to my partner before we ever got intimate or went down a relationship route. I wanted to make sure he knew what to expect in a relationship with me whilst I was suffering with my mental health. Anyway, some good has come from his infidelity, as I now know and have come to terms with just how much help I need with controlling my emotions… calls to perinatal and my works counselling scheme have been made by me and I am awaiting CBT.

Moving on, and thank you if you are still reading, I’ve found out bits and bats as he’s drip fed the info to me. The more I find out, the more he gives. He swears everything is now out in the open. He swears it wasn’t to do with my mental health and he genuinely, actually doesn’t know the reason why he messaged the prostitutee but says he definitely won’t do it again as he now knows what he has to lose. He has said he wants his own counselling to understand himself as he said he feels he doesn’t know himself anymore. When I did find out about the prostitute messages his initial response was to shout ‘were not doing anything’ so again this leads me to believe it was sex related and not mental health related with his diagnosis of clinical depression. But he said it was an impulse answer. We’ve looked at couples counselling through my work and had a brief chat with a counsellor. Since I found out about his infidelity we have strangely connected in a new way. We’ve realised how unhealthy our relationship has been. Our ‘arguments’ which are usually one sided on my part (because he has never, ever spoken to me with an ounce of disrespect), never get discussed and we brush them under the carpet and half an hour later we’ll be absolutely fine. I think it’s blinded us both in to thinking we had a ‘happy’ relationship. We planned our baby and it happened very quick in to trying. The counsellor we spoke to believes that our relationship has ‘connected’ since learning of his infidelity because all cards are out on the table. There’s no lies weighing him down and in a way it makes sense (if he has actually told the whole truth).

It’s been an emotional rollercoaster this last couple of week. I’ve been up and down since finding out but somehow there’s still a connection there some days. I’ve known him 12 years, But I am now starting to wonder if I’ve ever really known him…

I’ve asked him to get his phone logs to see if any of the prostitutes were called. He’s admitted to texting them on his personal phone and has requested his phone logs which will be coming soon. He’s shown me his bank statements and credit card statements as evidence he’s never drawn cash out around this time that he was talking to prostitutes or made a bank transfer to a prostitute. Hes going to request doctors records and prove he never had an sti test behind my back - which I would have hoped, if he went to a prostitute, he’d have done this before potentially harming his unborn child by having sex with me, knowing my previous child’s father gave me sti’s when pregnant and knowing that his unborn baby could have gotten poorly. Hes also had a polygraph lie detector which has come back showing ‘no deception’ and that he hasn’t had sexual contact or intercourse with anyone but me. I gave him countless opportunities to tell me everything but he became the boy who cried wolf. He did say at the time he messaged them when I was pregnant, he thought he’d lost his family anyway due to our arguing a few months prior. And his excuse for doing it this time is the good old ‘I was curious’.

I’m really mad at him for this. I was pregnant. If he went through with seeing a prostitute then he could have harmed me and the baby and knowing what he knows about what my ex did to me and the sti he gave me, I would have thought he’d have had more sense. He knows I’m on top form with all stis, so surely he’d be scared shitless to give one to me and he knows stis can be transferred through oral and a condom. We have a family. He’s done this twice (as far as I’m aware). He’s been using adult work, only fans and porn hub while at work and told me men look at porn at work… it isn’t surprising but I can’t believe this is normal? I understand our sex life has been non existent, even when I was pregnant. But bloody hell, I was pregnant with chronic heartburn. Does he really need to watch porn at work and message escorts?

I’m no innocent in this at all. I’ve said some really hurtful things to him when I’ve had outbursts of anxiety and ocd. I never meant the things I said and do try to talk to him after about any arguments we have but he shuts me down and says ‘I know it’s your anxiety’. I’m just honestly a shell of the person I was but I’d been open and honest about how bad I could get to him and he assured me he’d support me and would be there for me and I told him if he feels my ocd is out of control to contact the relevant mental health services and I gave him their numbers. He’s never done this and never communicated his feelings to me. Like i say maybe he’d have turned to prostitutes anyway and maybe this is just his real character and I don’t want to believe it. Maybe he’s done it in the past? Or maybe it was me? I can’t wholly blame myself for this though and I think what bothers me most is that I was pregnant. Also, the fact that I feel any man who would entertain a prostitute doesn’t have much respect for women. I feel like my whole relationship and pregnancy has been a lie and that I don’t know my partner. It took a lot to let somebody in to my life and start a family after what I’d been through in my first pregnancy and I can’t believe he betrayed my trust. He seems to think counselling will help us both understand where we’ve gone wrong, how to communicate better and how to rebuild trust. I already know where I’ve gone wrong and that I’m going to do everything I can, whether I stay with him or not, to sort myself out so I can be a better person for everyone around me. I’ve been in such a hole these past four years but after being raped, given sti’s and physically and mentally abused I do want to give myself some credit as I have insight in to my problems and I want to and accept the need to work on myself.

I’ve actually realised for a long time my partner was pulling away from me and other people have too because some of my anxieties aren’t ‘rational’ but I guess that is how anxiety can be.

The question is do I accept he’s accepted where he’s gone wrong and move forward on the basis he’s going to do everything he can to make sure this never happens again. Or do I leave before I get more hurt? I’ve asked him if he has ever used prodtitutes before and told him that if he has, this would actually help me understand more, so that I could help him get the help he needs. But he swears he hasn’t. Would he really lie if I’m so ‘open and understanding’. I told him to perhaps consider sexual counselling but he got quite offended by this and swears he doesn’t have a porn addiction as he hasn’t watched it or felt he misses watching it since I found out. He does have a past of debt, which he lied to me about. I only found out about it whilst I was pregnant after seeing an email pop up on his phone notification, again when he was sat at the side of me. I have debt and I told him this prior to us making the decision to have a child, so why couldn’t he tell me about his debt? He says it was to fund a cocaine addiction a few years before we got together, which was short lived but very, very bad. He said this is why he never told me about the debt as he was embarrassed. Like I say I’ve known him 12 years so him having a cocaine addiction in his past was a shock to me. But I’m now wondering was it really a cocaine addiction or a prostitute addiction or perhaps I’m reading in to this too much?

It sounds so toxic. I guess it has been without us realising and never accepting that we had problems in our relationship. I feel like we’ve not appreciated each other for a long time now. Since I’ve found out I’ve let him stay at my house, so he can still be around the kids and we are acting normal in the day around the kids. It’s as functional as possible and maybe that’s some sign of hope.

He’s letting me track his phone and to be honest, he never goes anywhere anyway, but he was messaging these escorts at work, and so he could do this again at work. He’s really trying but I don’t want to live like this, tracking somebody, lack of trust, it’s exhausting. I just want monogamy, trust, respect and communication from a relationship. He failed to communicate with me and even tell me that my mental health was affecting our relationship, and I’m worried he may use my mental health as his scape goat out of his infidelity. I hope not, though.

Since I found out a month ago we have had more good days than bad; but I cannot get my head around feeling like I don’t know my partner and his attitude towards women being bought. I’ve been reading the UK Punting website and omg… yuck! It’s an eye opener.

He’s also fed me the line that with it being a prostitute it’s less personal and I guess he’s saying he thought it wasn’t as bad as ‘cheating with a normal person’ and would spare my feelings as such. I’d have rather him have had an affair or a one night stand, at least maybe I could have understood his reasons for infidelity more and the emotional connection, rather than seeking sex services. He says he didn’t realise how easy it was to book a prostitutr (lol) and when he realised, he got scared and never went through with it because he couldn’t. Ive asked him if he didn’t love me at the time or didn’t/doesn’t want to be with me and I’ve asked him to answer honestly and told him it is ok if he didn’t but he swears he did love me and wanted the relationship but he thought it was coming to an end anyway when he sent the messages. I’ve asked him if he would go to a brothel or pull up on the side of the road and make ‘enquiries’ and he’s said no. He literally normalised adult work and escorting to himself, a prostitute is a prostitute so why is it ok online but not at a brothel?

He has shown remorse for his actions however over the last couple of days he seems to be getting irritated at going over the same things in conversation and ‘getting nowhere’. He needs to accept that it is important to me and things won’t go back to ‘normal’ straight away, whatever normal even is because I don’t know anymore.

Thank you for reading and I welcome your advice. I’m an overthinker and I always try to understand peoples actions and I reason that good people can do bad things but sometimes my attitude leads me to being a doormat. I don’t want to be anyones doormat, anymore. My kids and my mental health will always be my priority and if it is in my childrens and my best interest to leave this relationship, Im sure I’ll find the strength and I’ll find a way.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 00:40

My neighbour honestly looks as rough as fuck, less so since the baby as she had to stop the heroin and go on to methadone. She washes not very often from the looks of her. She honestly looks minging. And yet the men still fuck her. I think for a lot of them the more down dishshevelled and unwashed they look the more it turns them on!

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 00:43

Ooh and all this "I'd never thought of it like that" bile that He's spouting. He's lying of course he knows the possible backgrounds these women could have. HE JUST DOESN'T CARE. NOT ABOUT THEM NOT ABOUT YOU NOT ABOUT THE BABY. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIMSELF AND HIS NEEDS AND HIS URGES.

cbrenx · 08/05/2022 00:43

@Bunty55 I'm not making excuses for him or at least I don't think I am. It may still be the shock. And even the 'excuses' don't validate his reasons.

I'm an over thinker. It's part of anxiety and I will play everything in my head to try to understand. I'd rather have the cold hard truth even if that is sleeping with a prostitute and I'd sleep better knowing that, than be lied to and manipulated because I've been manipulated and emotionally abused by my other child's father and I won't go through that again. I need to know what kind of man I have a child to.

But as you say, I'll never know. I was thinking I may be being unreasonable to leave him if I was a factor of the problem. But I now know that I wasn't the problem. He is a problem. A massive problem because he's shown disresepct to the worlds most vulnerable women. I think I could have handled an affair more because at least that would be for emotional reasons. Not a prostitute that is for all selfish reasons. He said an actual affair would have 'hurt me more'. So kind of him to think about me.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 00:45

"But I do feel here he has had some sort of addiction that's led him to think it is normal to message women for sex"

Nope! No addiction just selfishness putting his wants and desiresv above that of his partner and baby.

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 00:46

You are making excuse for him.

You need to stop that.

Razbitso · 08/05/2022 00:49

OP he is pointless. The only point to a partner is that they love you that but extra, they make you feel a bit better about everything, you absolutely know they have your back and you respect each other as that is the basis of love and trust.

I don’t know why you have your standards so low when you sound so lovely but your need to work on yourself before having any more relationships. This is grim. Leave him as quickly as possible. What a loser.

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 00:51

God I'm such a cow! It's just that I'm so bloody angry that He's done this to you and your letting him get away with it. You cannot come back from this. You really can't. You will never ever trust him again. You're anxiety will be through the roof and it will impact on your ability to be the best mother you can be. Which in turn will make you even more anxious.

Please kick this guy to the kerb, and accept that you will never know exactly what he has and hasn't done.

You deserve better than this man. You can do better than this man even if you remain single forever!

cbrenx · 08/05/2022 00:51

He's also said I'm not the problem. He said my mental health took a toll on him and he did get unwell but not because of me, it was because he felt trapped with life, not knowing if I was going to sell my house and move away or if he'd see his daughter and felt trapped in his work contract and was diagnosed depressed at that time. He also said his depression plays a part in the fact he has so much debt, feels he is useless and a failure and has no prospects in life. And he said he still feels depressed now and hasn't been well for a long time.

Messaging a prostitute wasn't going to help his situation was it though. If he was so worried about losing his family why the fuck would he do the worst possible thing he could do to a partner and his daughter. I told him he's failed her by doing this and that's what makes him a failure in life.

His family has noticed it and so has a member of my family. He always used to smile and be happy and since a few months before he messaged that prostitute his mood plummeted.

He said to me he used to drive home from work and see a particular bridge that he wanted to drive in to. I've told him it's very convenient he's only telling me this all now. He should have told me then. I mean I understand depression, so I understand he may have been having suicidal thoughts at the time. But I do not and will not understand why anyone would message a prostitute.

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cbrenx · 08/05/2022 00:52

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 00:51

God I'm such a cow! It's just that I'm so bloody angry that He's done this to you and your letting him get away with it. You cannot come back from this. You really can't. You will never ever trust him again. You're anxiety will be through the roof and it will impact on your ability to be the best mother you can be. Which in turn will make you even more anxious.

Please kick this guy to the kerb, and accept that you will never know exactly what he has and hasn't done.

You deserve better than this man. You can do better than this man even if you remain single forever!

No it's fine. Keep it coming. I wanted open and honest opinions. Thank you.

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Bunty55 · 08/05/2022 00:54

And the fact that he is trying to deny it all by getting lie detector tests and the rest of it is actually taking the piss majorly out of you.

There should be no more dialogue and no more soul searching from you. And definitely no more procrastination
Get shut. Honestly.

cbrenx · 08/05/2022 00:57

Razbitso · 08/05/2022 00:49

OP he is pointless. The only point to a partner is that they love you that but extra, they make you feel a bit better about everything, you absolutely know they have your back and you respect each other as that is the basis of love and trust.

I don’t know why you have your standards so low when you sound so lovely but your need to work on yourself before having any more relationships. This is grim. Leave him as quickly as possible. What a loser.

This is what I can't understand. He was mg safe space. My best friend. He did everything for me with no expectations in return. He has always respected me (from what I thought). If I went on a massive ocd flare up and shouted at him he'd walk away from it, he'd never ever argue back. My own family said I've been harsh with him. He never approached me and said how he felt and he never ever tried to change my anxiety. He said he knew some of the things I'm anxious about are irrational but he didn't want to upset me by saying anything, so instead he'd change his ways to suit my rituals and felt he has tread on eggshells throughout the relationship. I've realised I'm a massive problem but I would have been in any relationship while I'm in this unwell mindset. I know however most men wouldn't have done what he did. But honestly he has always been my best friend and someone I thought I could trust and rely on.

I told him he should have never had a baby with me if he had any feelings of resentment or wasn't truly happy.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 01:00

At the end of the day, knowing the history you had, He's still went looking at/contacting/using? for prostitutes.

The absolute disrespect that shows he has for you has to be the end of your relationship.

You were very clear about what you weren't going to put up with after your last partner I assume? I'm guessing he's trampled over quite a few of your not putting up with that again issues.

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 01:03

Oh and now he's pulling the suicidal feel sorry for me script.

Nope! Nope! Nope! He doesn't get to do that.not now!

Prettybubblesintheair · 08/05/2022 01:03

Op I am really sorry for what you’re going through but you need to stop blaming your mental health, his job, his mental health, relationship problems, Mars being aligned with Saturn or whatever else you’re desperately casting around trying to blame. The fact is he wanted to put you through something he knew you had been deeply traumatised by. He didn’t give a fuck about you or his unborn child. Is that what love looks like to you? He pays for porn, taking food from the mouths of your children. I would bet anything on him having already slept with prostitutes but on the million to one chance he hasn’t YET….he absolutely will. It might be months, years down the line when your guard is down I promise you, he will do it. And seriously just look at the toxic mess of a “relationship” you’re in…bloody lie detectors, tracking, private investigators (which he can just instruct what to tell you by the way)…that’s not a relationship that is a big fat toxic mess that it’s cruel to even think about raising children in. Stop desperately clinging on to something so hideously unhealthy. Kick him to the curb, work on yourself and maybe one day you’ll find yourself in a real, loving relationship. It all boils down to the fact that he KNEW how much this would hurt you. It wasn’t a grey area you hadn’t discussed, he fucking knew and he did it anyway.

Dibbydoos · 08/05/2022 01:04

Hi OP. Every 'victim' bar none thinks they had a responsibility that resulted in them being harmed or abused. They didn't :(

Many more men use prostitutes than we care to acknowledge :( And I agree, it's a betrayal just like adultery is.

I can tell you love him. So ask yourself, do you love him more than you love yourself? If the answer is yes, then you have work to do improving your view of yourself. If you don't hold yourself in high esteem why would others hold you in high esteem?

My suggestion is to create a list of positives and negatives and assess the situation you're in using it. You will then have a much clearer view of what you should do, but please remember if you don't prioritise you, you cannot prioritise your DC.

cbrenx · 08/05/2022 01:06

@Boiledbeetle yes I did but tbh I didn't think I needed to lay it down to him what I wouldn't accept. He saw how broken I was at that time. He's seen how broken I am now. I know he feels guilty and I know he loves me but I don't actually care about that. I care about the trust he's broken and the fact that I would have never entertained a man who thought prostitution was ok. The worst bit... my 'dad' cheated on my mum with prostitutes when She was pregnant with me. He knows this. He knows my mum became unwell from this. However he only found this out in a passing conversation we were having about my 'dad' which would have been after he sent his first message to a prostitute. I bet he felt fucking awkward having that conversation with me knowing what he'd done.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 01:14

Oh sweetheart, you know this over, all this guff from him about he didn't think, he didn't realise, blah blah blah. He's just a selfish little prick who was thinking with and of his cock.

It's OK to say "you know what I don't care what you've done, or what you try to prove, you've crossed a line and we are finished, Please leave my house now"

cbrenx · 08/05/2022 01:17

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 01:03

Oh and now he's pulling the suicidal feel sorry for me script.

Nope! Nope! Nope! He doesn't get to do that.not now!

Yep. I told him to just lay it straight with me. I said did you not want me or love me or give a duck about me anymore? I said be honest. I won't cry, I won't get angry if you tell me that when you messaged those prostitutes you just thought a big fuck you towards me. I said it makes more sense if you did hate me and to be honest, at that time, I wouldn't blame if he hated me. But I'd blame him for messaging prostututes. But he swears he never was in that mindset of hating me. He said he loved me, he did want to leave me though but also wanted to make it work and is saying he wasn't thinking straight, explained his suicidal thoughts and that's all why.

He said he enjoyed the attention. He did enjoy speaking about sex. He was bragging about his job to them as the job at the time was 'Bragg able' for him anyway. I said to him a prostitute wouldn't have given a fuck tbh. They don't care how you get your money as long as you pay them. He never fucking dare ask me for shit in the bedroom, and like he said feels like I'm superior to him. I mean even reading his messages to them is pitiful and pathetic really. He can be more open to a prostiute about what he wants than be open to his partner about how he feels the relationship is in ruins.

But he doesn't know why he did it to me or himself as he'd be too scared to sleep with one even if he was single due to sti risk.

His own grandma is now no longer talking to him because of what he's done and he's been in bits about it. I always used to say he was 'respectful' towards women because of how he treats the women in his family. He's always so thoughtful and warm to them and never fails to give them a kiss on the cheek and a cuddle and it used to melt my heart and I used to think 'our unborn daughter is so lucky'

I feel my relationship has all been a lie.

I've told him he's made a weird fucking website normal and said even if you didn't do it you crossed the line and became a potential punter. Something most men wouldn't and don't do.

Can you tell I'm getting angry now. I'm going through a rolllercoaster.

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cbrenx · 08/05/2022 01:20

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 01:14

Oh sweetheart, you know this over, all this guff from him about he didn't think, he didn't realise, blah blah blah. He's just a selfish little prick who was thinking with and of his cock.

It's OK to say "you know what I don't care what you've done, or what you try to prove, you've crossed a line and we are finished, Please leave my house now"

I've said to him tonight that I feel like that's it for me and I don't want to go through with the private investigator and he begged me to do it so he can prove his innocence to me. He said if he can prove he didn't do it, with the counselling in tow, maybe we can work on it. That's his mindset. For me I'm just all over. I've explained if we didn't have a child he'd have been gone no matter how much I loved him.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 01:20

Hold onto the anger, its more useful than the whole snotty crying phase ;)

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 01:21

Is he still currently living with you?

youvegottenminuteslynn · 08/05/2022 01:24

cbrenx · 08/05/2022 00:18

@Boiledbeetle so literally, a prostitute could have approached my partner in a pub and offered him her services? It's that easy?

I thought offering sex in a public place was illegal?

God it's amazing what really goes on in the world. Isn't it?

Why would something being illegal mean he hasn't done it?! So are drugs but he bought and had a coke problem!

MardyOldGoth · 08/05/2022 01:27

Prettybubblesintheair · 08/05/2022 01:03

Op I am really sorry for what you’re going through but you need to stop blaming your mental health, his job, his mental health, relationship problems, Mars being aligned with Saturn or whatever else you’re desperately casting around trying to blame. The fact is he wanted to put you through something he knew you had been deeply traumatised by. He didn’t give a fuck about you or his unborn child. Is that what love looks like to you? He pays for porn, taking food from the mouths of your children. I would bet anything on him having already slept with prostitutes but on the million to one chance he hasn’t YET….he absolutely will. It might be months, years down the line when your guard is down I promise you, he will do it. And seriously just look at the toxic mess of a “relationship” you’re in…bloody lie detectors, tracking, private investigators (which he can just instruct what to tell you by the way)…that’s not a relationship that is a big fat toxic mess that it’s cruel to even think about raising children in. Stop desperately clinging on to something so hideously unhealthy. Kick him to the curb, work on yourself and maybe one day you’ll find yourself in a real, loving relationship. It all boils down to the fact that he KNEW how much this would hurt you. It wasn’t a grey area you hadn’t discussed, he fucking knew and he did it anyway.

THIS! With fucking bells on!

youvegottenminuteslynn · 08/05/2022 01:28

Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2022 00:43

Ooh and all this "I'd never thought of it like that" bile that He's spouting. He's lying of course he knows the possible backgrounds these women could have. HE JUST DOESN'T CARE. NOT ABOUT THEM NOT ABOUT YOU NOT ABOUT THE BABY. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIMSELF AND HIS NEEDS AND HIS URGES.

This. So much this, OP.

He didn't care enough.

He doesn't love you too enough, or respect women enough, or value his family enough or want to be a good person enough to control his desire to pay a woman to fuck her.

Your bar should be higher than that.

Those women were someone's daughter too, not that it matters as they shouldn't have to be defined by their relationships to other people.

But how would he describe a man who paid to have sex with his daughter? Likely a man older than her, who has no idea if she was genuinely willing or coerced? How would he describe that man? Because THAT is who he is.

And he says he never thought about it like that? Well then he's even worse!! He sees women as objects he wants to fuck rather than seeing them as whole human beings with personalities, histories and lives.

He's absolutely vile OP I don't even know how you can bear to be near him. He would make my skin crawl.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 08/05/2022 01:30

The worst bit... my 'dad' cheated on my mum with prostitutes when She was pregnant with me. He knows this. He knows my mum became unwell from this.

Just saw this OP. Fucking hell he is scum. Absolute scum. Cruel, cruel scum.