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to ask Christians about dinosaurs...

557 replies

EastYorksLass · 29/04/2022 17:46

This is a serious question - so I have been thinking a lot lately about whether God exists, the meaning of life and why is the world in such a terrible state... been thinking about going to church but still feel I am on the fence. One question which has really got me thinking (after watching dear old David Attenborough... ) is where do dinosaurs fit into all this. Sorry if this sounds very weird but I would love to hear an explanation!

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Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:50

Bluerose77 · 30/04/2022 12:11

'Christians' think quite differently about all this. They (because of a dude called Calvin) believe that God determined everything that would happen to creation from the start and those who will worship God (the elect) are already chosen. If you asked why they'd just say because God is brilliant and you just don't understand His ways (Calvin's God is definitely male).

As usual it seems perfectly fine to ridicule Christianity but never any other religion. At least we haven't got Christian fighting Christian as in the situation right now in Afghanistan. (Muslim fighting Muslim)

I can't imagine the ridicule Christians would get if they were all fighting each other (for being the wrong type of Christian)

Ummm.

Are Russian and Ukraine not largely Christian?

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:51

Pumperthepumper · 30/04/2022 11:13

This is such a weird argument to have with yourself.

Thats such a weird response. If you dont have a better counter argument, its probably best not to comment at all.

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:52

donquixotedelamancha · 30/04/2022 11:11

But I believe it is. The vimto god told me it was. He whispered it in my ear. You just need faith. If you were special like me and had a special relationship with the vimto god like I do, you'd see the truth.

In fairness that is literally what the catholic churches believe about eucharistic bread and wine.

I know

Pumperthepumper · 30/04/2022 12:52

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:51

Thats such a weird response. If you dont have a better counter argument, its probably best not to comment at all.

You invented a conversation and then complained it was annoying you. It’s literally in your head.

Florenz · 30/04/2022 12:53

I don't understand why people think Christians would have a problem with dinosaurs. If God could create birds and animals, he could just as easily create dinosaurs. God didn't write the Bible, people did, and the reason dinosaurs aren't mentioned in it is because men didn't know about dinosaurs at the time.

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:53

GoldenOmber · 30/04/2022 11:26

It is a bit. I feel like as a Christian I should pretend to be all outraged and shocked and splutter “but but but don’t you CARE about the BIBLE?”, when people are so clearly longing to get that sort of response. 🤷‍♀️

(can’t believe nobody on the thread yet has claimed they were asked to leave Sunday school at the age of six for asking difficult questions.)

Bit self involved to think people are desperate for a response from you.

A decent go at explaining the how it all works would be grand though.

donquixotedelamancha · 30/04/2022 12:54

have you thought about joining an Alpha course? Many churches run them and they're lovely. A warm, safe, friendly environment

I really hope this is a joke. Have you thought about holidaying in North Korea, it's a lovely, warm, safe place to visit?

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:54

Florenz · 30/04/2022 12:53

I don't understand why people think Christians would have a problem with dinosaurs. If God could create birds and animals, he could just as easily create dinosaurs. God didn't write the Bible, people did, and the reason dinosaurs aren't mentioned in it is because men didn't know about dinosaurs at the time.

Why didn't God tell the men they missed a bit?

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:56

Pumperthepumper · 30/04/2022 12:52

You invented a conversation and then complained it was annoying you. It’s literally in your head.

What, like God is all in Christians heads?

I didnt invent girlmom21 or her idea about vimto seas

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:57

I also didn't complain anyone or anything was annoying me.

Valais · 30/04/2022 12:59

The Bible is all parables. Jesus only spoke in metaphor, so the Old Testament is metaphor, too. God caused the Big Bang and each "day" is really a few million years - just a metaphor to help people understand creation. God created evolution.

Alternative theory is that millions of years ago, a 'day' was longer than 24 hours, i.e. the world was spinning at a different rate. No idea if scientifically that's a plausible theory, though.

The way I see it is that the Bible was written by people, not God. People, especially people thousands of years ago, don't know much and are prone to bias, misunderstanding, and (mis)interpretation. What DOES make sense to me is what Jesus said. Seriously, if you only read the stuff Jesus said, it's not outdated. Jesus was a radical ( and yes, he did exist - scriptures in different religions also reference him).

If everyone just treated everyone how they want to be treated themselves, the world wouldn't have any problems. We could literally fix the world if everyone just followed that one sentence of advice.

Roundandroundandroundwego · 30/04/2022 13:00

How could if sinful humans write an infallible Bible? The answer is they could not, so it stands to reason there is no proof that they missed out dinosaurs or vimto seas. 🤔

You can't choose one and not the other.

Thehundredthnamechange · 30/04/2022 13:00

donquixotedelamancha · 30/04/2022 12:54

have you thought about joining an Alpha course? Many churches run them and they're lovely. A warm, safe, friendly environment

I really hope this is a joke. Have you thought about holidaying in North Korea, it's a lovely, warm, safe place to visit?

Hello! Not at all a joke, they're truly lovely in my experience. Check one out yourself if you're interested. A lot of people even go along with the intention of being negative or convincing everyone not to believe in God, but leave with a totally new perspective. Really lovely experience even if you're not interested in becoming a Christian and just want to chat about issues like this one ☺️

Bluerose77 · 30/04/2022 13:01

Try going to parts of Northern Ireland and the west of Scotland if you don't think " Christian " fights "Christian". And I use inverted commas ontentially.

Absolutely no comparison.

Pumperthepumper · 30/04/2022 13:02

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:56

What, like God is all in Christians heads?

I didnt invent girlmom21 or her idea about vimto seas

So you don’t believe in god. Neither do I. What next? Should nobody believe in any god? What do you want?

GoldenOmber · 30/04/2022 13:04

Topgub · 30/04/2022 12:53

Bit self involved to think people are desperate for a response from you.

A decent go at explaining the how it all works would be grand though.

You seem to be having a fairly good time responding to yourself in some weird thing about Vimto, so not sure what I could add. What is it you are looking for people to explain to you? Why?

CurlyBurley · 30/04/2022 13:06

Can I ask a question to all the Christians on this thread please? How do you reconcile your belief in a loving God with children being born with birth defects, such as conjoined twins? My friend found out she was expecting twins who shared a brain - she had to terminate. Why did your loving God form twins that couldn't survive outsideof the womb?

Valais · 30/04/2022 13:07

Who says believing in science is at odds with believing in God? If God created the world, then he created the scientific rules that make up the universe!

Thehundredthnamechange · 30/04/2022 13:07

Valais · 30/04/2022 12:59

The Bible is all parables. Jesus only spoke in metaphor, so the Old Testament is metaphor, too. God caused the Big Bang and each "day" is really a few million years - just a metaphor to help people understand creation. God created evolution.

Alternative theory is that millions of years ago, a 'day' was longer than 24 hours, i.e. the world was spinning at a different rate. No idea if scientifically that's a plausible theory, though.

The way I see it is that the Bible was written by people, not God. People, especially people thousands of years ago, don't know much and are prone to bias, misunderstanding, and (mis)interpretation. What DOES make sense to me is what Jesus said. Seriously, if you only read the stuff Jesus said, it's not outdated. Jesus was a radical ( and yes, he did exist - scriptures in different religions also reference him).

If everyone just treated everyone how they want to be treated themselves, the world wouldn't have any problems. We could literally fix the world if everyone just followed that one sentence of advice.

This is a very interesting post but actually, the Old Testament can't be assumed to be all parables. Yes, Jesus spoke in parables but it was clearly explained that the parable was, in fact, a parable. The meaning was also given. We can't use this logic to assume that the entire Old Testament is a parable as it simply isn't - these are recorded as actual events and treated as such, and nowhere does it say that they are parables.

As for the 'day' being a few million years - this is impossible as the original Hebrew used for this only allows for the word 'day' to refer to an actual, 24 hours day as we understand a day to be today.

Dinosaurs are mentioned several times in the bible, read about it - there are several online lectures and articles about it. It's very interesting ☺️

Thehundredthnamechange · 30/04/2022 13:08

Valais · 30/04/2022 13:07

Who says believing in science is at odds with believing in God? If God created the world, then he created the scientific rules that make up the universe!

This is very true. Actually, a huge number of scientists are Christians simply because a lot of science doesn't allow for there NOT to be a God ☺️

Topgub · 30/04/2022 13:09

Pumperthepumper · 30/04/2022 13:02

So you don’t believe in god. Neither do I. What next? Should nobody believe in any god? What do you want?

Why do you think I want anything?

Other than to discuss religious beliefs and why people hold them.

I didnt realise I had to have a permission slip?

Topgub · 30/04/2022 13:11

GoldenOmber · 30/04/2022 13:04

You seem to be having a fairly good time responding to yourself in some weird thing about Vimto, so not sure what I could add. What is it you are looking for people to explain to you? Why?

Is girlmom21 invisible?!

Am I having a psychotic episode and no one has told me?

Are they god?!

Valais · 30/04/2022 13:11

This is a bit existentialist, but I guess I sort of believe that the only "true" experience is my experience. The people around me exist, but their suffering only exists in my reality (and so doesn't really exist) and not in theirs. Their reality can be explained as being like a parallel world, where their experience is different. My own suffering I see as a way of becoming closer to God, and only temporary in nature.

Bluerose77 · 30/04/2022 13:12

Isaac Newton wrote a brilliant book expressing the hope that the thinking person would believe in a creator. When he discovered gravity he could have said "I've got a law that explains it" therefore I don't need God. But no, his additional knowledge INCREASED his faith in God.

GoldenOmber · 30/04/2022 13:13

CurlyBurley · 30/04/2022 13:06

Can I ask a question to all the Christians on this thread please? How do you reconcile your belief in a loving God with children being born with birth defects, such as conjoined twins? My friend found out she was expecting twins who shared a brain - she had to terminate. Why did your loving God form twins that couldn't survive outsideof the womb?

I guess it depends if you’re asking “how do you justify this within your worldview” or “how would you justify it to me so that I agreed with you”.

If it’s the first: for me, because we live in an imperfect material universe, and God does not operate by removing all the bad things but by making something greater than the bad things. As for why the universe is set up like that: I don’t know.

i appreciate that probably isn’t a very satisfying answer if you don’t already have a belief in God, but I wouldn’t be trying to convince you to agree with me.

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