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AIBU to think that not all Conservative MP's are a total disaster when it comes to biological reality?

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 22:29

Good evening all,

Today I joined Mumsnet as it has been featured in the news for various reasons, most noticeably that it allows a free flow of views and opinions with regard to todays most "controversial" hot topics. I have on occasion dipped into some of the conversations (as a non-participant observer), such as the threads on Ukraine and some within the feminist forum, however I have not felt the need to join the forum until today.

The reason I joined today is due to a response I received from my local Conservative MP which I would like to share with you.

Over the last few months in particular I have noticed a disturbing theme from some politicians with regard to what constitutes a man or a woman, in light of this I wrote to my MP to ask his definition of a woman and if he thought that women could have a penis as this notion seems to be pushed within the media.

For some time now I have been watching various news items with regard to the new trend of " transgenderism" - I place this word advisedly in inverted commas as there seems to be some dissent as to what this word actually means. In my world view, there used to be transsexuals and transvestites, these words seem to have been combined into an overarching definition which seems to confuse the issue.

Anyhow suffice to say this new trend has caused me some concern particularly when it comes to the apparent safeguarding issues with regard to children and young adults. I attach the response from my MP

AIBU to think that not all Conservative politicians are a total disaster when it comes to biological reality?

AIBU to think that not all Conservative MP's are a total disaster when it comes to biological reality?
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TheKeatingFive · 27/04/2022 23:06

my point is that what is ‘a man’ and what is ‘a woman’ is not nearly as binary and clear cut as we think.

No, it is. The existence of DSD does not actually change that.

nightwakingmoon · 27/04/2022 23:06

RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 27/04/2022 22:56

Ereshkigalangcleg

Did you read it? For most people it’s is clear cut. For some it’s not. Read the full statement. Biological sex is nuanced. What a man or woman is less clear cut than we think. Even genitalia, which you would think is clear - sometimes isn’t. That’s biological reality. ‘those people’ - you know the ‘disordered ones’ (your use of language betrays your lack of empathy) - are not ‘one or the other’ and the ‘one or the other’ of which you speak are not always binary - but multiple things that fall on a continuum - even genitalia isn’t always clear cut.

@RagingRagingAndMoreRaging

Variations in biological sex development do exist, but for a tiny percentage of people, and always along one sexed pathway or the other. There are no “true intersex” conditions (hence the change of name to VSD or DSD). There are less than 25 possible DSD chromosomal variations and most of those only occur as genuine medical rarities. People with VSDs are a tiny percentage of the population, nowhere near the inflated figures that ideologues on social media like to claim.

More importantly, none of this has any bearing on “gender identity”, which is a psychological and social construct largely based around sex role stereotypes. There is little or no crossover between people who have VSDs and those who claim to be transgender or nonbinary.

Biological sex variation has literally nothing to do with the social construction of gender identities, and never has done. It’s a completely misleading comparison.

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 23:07

Luckily my MP mentions a lot of issues and does a fantastic job of representing his constituency

Of course he does, love.

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:07

PurassicJark · 27/04/2022 23:05

You asked your mp a question that was pretty obvious on what response you wanted. They gave you it to keep you happy.

Try sending another email from a different email address, asking their opinion on the opposite side. See what kind of response you get then.

Is it usual on Mumsnet to come across such cynicism? Having met, written and spoken to my MP on a wide range of issues your response does not stand up to scrutiny

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:09

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 23:07

Luckily my MP mentions a lot of issues and does a fantastic job of representing his constituency

Of course he does, love.

What a patronising response - what does your MP do for your community? I have seen first hand the work he has done - can you say the same?

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PurassicJark · 27/04/2022 23:09

AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:07

Is it usual on Mumsnet to come across such cynicism? Having met, written and spoken to my MP on a wide range of issues your response does not stand up to scrutiny

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Trust them if you want. I wouldn't trust any of them further than I could throw them. That's any mp though, not just the tories. None of them care, they just want your vote.

Thatswhyimacat · 27/04/2022 23:10

Their need to mention the leader of the opposition suggests to me that their position is a cynical attempt at point scoring rather than any genuine view. It may be what they think, but I don't doubt they'd say the opposite if they thought it would get them support.

Thedogscollar · 27/04/2022 23:11

AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:05

Luckily my MP mentions a lot of issues and does a fantastic job of representing his constituency

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And here endeth the party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservashit party.

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:11

PurassicJark · 27/04/2022 23:09

Trust them if you want. I wouldn't trust any of them further than I could throw them. That's any mp though, not just the tories. None of them care, they just want your vote.

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If "they" did not care then why does my MP bother to give a voice to some of the most marginalised disabled people in the local and national community?

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FrecklesMalone · 27/04/2022 23:13

Well I guess they are used to being able to recognise a real cunt when they see one, given their colleagues.

sst1234 · 27/04/2022 23:15

RagingRagingAndMoreRaging · 27/04/2022 22:56

Ereshkigalangcleg

Did you read it? For most people it’s is clear cut. For some it’s not. Read the full statement. Biological sex is nuanced. What a man or woman is less clear cut than we think. Even genitalia, which you would think is clear - sometimes isn’t. That’s biological reality. ‘those people’ - you know the ‘disordered ones’ (your use of language betrays your lack of empathy) - are not ‘one or the other’ and the ‘one or the other’ of which you speak are not always binary - but multiple things that fall on a continuum - even genitalia isn’t always clear cut.

Yeah but, no but, yeah but, I ain’t even making excuses or nufink, so shu’ up

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 23:16

What a patronising response - what does your MP do for your community? I have seen first hand the work he has done - can you say the same?

No I can’t - and he’s got one of the biggest Tory majorities in the country. He’s as much use as a chocolate teapot.

PurassicJark · 27/04/2022 23:16

AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:11

If "they" did not care then why does my MP bother to give a voice to some of the most marginalised disabled people in the local and national community?

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To. Get. Votes.

Its a simple concept. But you clearly like them and will vote for them anyway. That's your choice.

But we don't have to believe that they care.

FiveNineFive · 27/04/2022 23:17

Well the second sentence of that is a clear and obvious lie.

DdraigGoch · 27/04/2022 23:18

Liz1tummypain · 27/04/2022 22:41

I know it seems to be a major issue in the world but I must be living under a rock so it hasn't come up in my life. If a person feels they have to identify as being a different gender than their biological one then it's no concern of mine. Nobody takes that decision lightly. The only time I could see it affecting me was if I were having some intimate treatment, conversation etc from a person I thought was a woman but who wasn't. Like a cervical smear maybe. Hard to imagine how I'd feel then.

What about someone who says they are a woman but is male? Should you have the right to object to:

Them conducting your smear test or mammogram?
Them joining in your rape counselling session?
Them sharing your prison shower?
Them joining you and your nine year old daughter in the women's section of a nude spa?
Them coercing you into heterosexual intercourse, despite being well aware that you are a lesbian?
Them beating you at a sport you've trained all your life for, but have the insurmountable handicap of a female body?

Now it's easy to say that you won't end up in prison/need rape counselling/frequent nude spas/be a lesbian/compete at a sport. But each issue affects someone. Should they have the right to object? Or would you say that they should just shut up and #bekind?

Oddessafile · 27/04/2022 23:21

Working with the most marginalised in the community ?
Is it old moggy turning up at a photo shoot outside a food bank that his party's policies have caused to proliferate ?

Moomeh · 27/04/2022 23:23

If "they" did not care then why does my MP bother to give a voice to some of the most marginalised disabled people in the local and national community?

You've overdone it there lol - genuinely thought you were an ordinary mumsnet mum until this bit.

You are an intern in the mp's office

Moomeh · 27/04/2022 23:24

(And I did vote yanbu because I do agree with the statement in the letter)

But this thread is pure "propo"

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:24

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 23:16

What a patronising response - what does your MP do for your community? I have seen first hand the work he has done - can you say the same?

No I can’t - and he’s got one of the biggest Tory majorities in the country. He’s as much use as a chocolate teapot.

I am sorry that you do not have a good MP, maybe I am just fortunate that ours seems to be a genuine individual who cares for his local community. Have you tried contacting your MP or arranging a face to face meeting to discuss local/national issues? I have found that if you take the time to meet your MP you can gauge their response on a wide range of issues and to use the opportunity to highlight areas of concern.

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:30

Moomeh · 27/04/2022 23:23

If "they" did not care then why does my MP bother to give a voice to some of the most marginalised disabled people in the local and national community?

You've overdone it there lol - genuinely thought you were an ordinary mumsnet mum until this bit.

You are an intern in the mp's office

Given this type of response, I am beginning to wonder whether joining up was a good idea. I am a newcomer to this site yet I stand accused of being a propagandist and an intern in a MP's office. Would it surprise you to learn that I am neither of those things? Suffice to say I am pleased to have a local MP that listens to his constituents and responds accordingly. I am sorry you are so cynical, not everyone in this world is so negative

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AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:32

Oddessafile · 27/04/2022 23:21

Working with the most marginalised in the community ?
Is it old moggy turning up at a photo shoot outside a food bank that his party's policies have caused to proliferate ?

Did you miss the "disabled" part of the sentence? My MP works first hand with disabled constituents

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axolotlfloof · 27/04/2022 23:32

AnotherDayAnotherView · 27/04/2022 23:24

I am sorry that you do not have a good MP, maybe I am just fortunate that ours seems to be a genuine individual who cares for his local community. Have you tried contacting your MP or arranging a face to face meeting to discuss local/national issues? I have found that if you take the time to meet your MP you can gauge their response on a wide range of issues and to use the opportunity to highlight areas of concern.

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I agree with you on the issue.
However I also has a super safe seat Tory (cabinet) mp who has no interest in me or localism.

Blossomtoes · 27/04/2022 23:32

Have you tried contacting your MP or arranging a face to face meeting to discuss local/national issues?

Since he can’t be arsed to hold constituency surgeries and it takes him three weeks to answer an email, that’s unlikely. He parrots the party line.

Thedogscollar · 27/04/2022 23:32

@AnotherDayAnotherView
Are you being paid well for you out of hours promo work?

BarrowInFurnessRailwayStation · 27/04/2022 23:32

Lol, still not voting tory 🙂