To ask wwyd about this work situation?

[justexisting22]

I've been angry for a few days following a recent salary review at work and I can't stop thinking over it in my head. I really need advice on how to handle the situation as I feel like I've been really undervalued and I'm seriously wondering now whether or not I should look for a new position at a totally different company.

For some background, my "new" salary for this year was my base salary last year, however this was pro rata to £Xk a year, as I worked part time but then changed to full time when I started a new role. So I'm wondering if is that even correct? Should this not have increased when I went back full time?

I've been at this company for 6 years, have qualifications experience etc, yet I'm still only on the starting salary for my position. It just doesn't seem right to me and to be honest I've been so upset and angry about it

AIBU to think I should just look elsewhere?

Giving us the figures and dates will not out you. If you want good information out of people, you have to put hood information in. Telling us that you make £25k per year and work 37.5 hours a week is not going to make everyone yell “that’s it! I knew you were Michelle in accounts at ABC Kitchens!”

The way I see it, you are working an extra 30 minutes each day but your gross for the year has only increased £100. That’s £2 per week. That wouldn’t be right because that would mean you’re being paid just over 60p an hour, which is illegal. So that can’t be the case.

But without the actual numbers no one can help you.

Oh and if you’re going to speak to HR about it, I wouldn’t say that you “know” that your colleagues are on higher amounts. You’ll probably find that discussing salaries is against company rules.

it may be but isn’t it utterly shit? The disdain with which employees are treated is despicable. A good employer would be transparent and supportive. Employees stay when they feel valued and appreciated, pay is far down the employee wish list.

OP is this what you're saying:
You worked PT at 5k
You went full time @10.1k
Perhaps the raise is based on PT increase. In which case it should be more.
You really aren't being clear.
Salaries or HR will clarify what you should be on and why. If you're not happy with that ask for a further review.

If you think you should be paid more for the job you do you can always ask HR to Hays Score your job to calculate the market rate. It can go up but it can also go down! But get your base salary and pay checked first.

Are you in the public sector? I ask because the cost of living pay is very low at 1% so £10k would become £10,100

Op how much did you actually earn when on part time.

it sounds to me like part time you actually earned five k(or whatever) and now earn 10 k as you are full time, and you’ve had a one hundred pounds pay rise, and you’re complaining that your pay rise isn’t more.

is this correct?

You are being very unclear, if you cannot articulate yourself here I am not sure how you are going to be able to put forward your case to your manager or HR.

When I first read the thread, it sounded like you were being paid the same amount (literally) even though you had gone full time from part time, which of course would be outrageous. However now I am thinking you went full time, your pay was adjusted to reflect your increased hours but was not adjusted over and above that. Well no reason why it should be. FT work does not and should not attract a higher hourly equivalent rate.

If you are not being paid your worth or market value, then that is another matter, but it is nothing to do with FT or PT by the sound of it and I would not bring that into your business discussion as the conversation could get side tracked by a non issue just as it has here.

@Sunnysideup I read this last night and couldn’t make head nor tail of what was going on. Having come back to it with fresh eyes this morning, I think your summary is exactly what’s happened. OP, if that’s the case, I don’t understand why you thought going full time would automatically get you a pay rise (your take home pay would of course increase in line with the extra hours you were working). Did you not get a new employment contract to sign which set out your new salary when you went full time?

You did get a salary increase. It just wasn't a lot.

If you are good at your job, then find another one. A company that hasn't promoted you or given you a significant salary increase in 6 years is either a bad one or you aren't actually that good at your job. If you are find somewhere else, those kind of companies don't change. I wasted years waiting for my old company to promote me properly or pay me better. They didn't so I left. I get a lot more money now and they lost the contracts I was working on. I don't feel sorry at all.

Sorry if I’ve confused anybody, that wasn’t my intention when I started this thread. Yes, I could put exact amounts on and hours but I’m worried in case anybody from HR in my company is on here as I feel the details will make me easily identifiable which obviously I don’t want. I’m seriously thinking that I should just look for a new job, as I’d probably get paid more if I did that rather than stay where I am at the moment

My confusion is how they can say my salary has increased by x% this year, when last year my base salary was just slightly less than what it is now, but it was pro rata. Should the increase this year not be based on last years salary before pro rata?

I’m sorry OP but I get more confused the more you post. I really don’t think anyone can give you meaningful advice until you post some actual numbers, nobody will be able to identify you from that and if you are still concerned why not change some small details eg your old salary was £30K before pro rata, you could post that it was £29K.

This is really confusing.

Your ‘base’ salary is the full-time equivalent (FTE) salary for 37 hours (or whatever it says in your contract).

All pay increases will be based on the FTE salary.

So if you were part-time and only worked 18.5 hours, you would be paid 50% of the FTE salary. (Your pay would be pro-rated).

Any pay increase would be based on the FTE salary.

So if the job paid £37,000 FTE, you only worked 18.5 hours, you’d be paid £18,500.

A yearly cost of living pay increase of 5% would make the FTE £38,750 (an extra £1,850). On your 18.5 hours you’d get £19,375.

Using my figures, what are you saying has happened?

I think when the op said to th poster thay she earned twenty k part time and gets the exact same for working full time was where the wheels came off this. It’s clearly incorrect.

so what she is saying is she earned a total of ten grand last year as she was part time.
she is now full time and actually earning20k.

so the base full time salary is the same last year to this year.

they have given her a 100 pounds pay rise. And she’s furious as she wanted a bigger pay rise.

@Evilcountspatula I will try to give an example.

e.g. last year’s salary was £19,500 pro rata to £18,100.

this years salary is now £19,600 with no mention of pro rata although nothing has changed.

have I made more sense here?

@Sunnysideup Yes, because they are saying my salary has increase by a certain percentage. So I was confused, as I thought the increase wouldn’t go off the pro rata salary, but the salary before pro rata. I know it is confusing, I don’t even really understand it either

So last year (according to your example) you got paid £18100 due to being part time.

this year, you are now full time and being paid £19600.

therefore your only gripe is that your salary raise was only £100 from last year to this?

thry don't owe you any money at all.

ok, it’s helpful to have that example but the bit that I now don’t understand is why would you expect pro rata to be mentioned this year - it’s no longer relevant as you are now full time?

@Evilcountspatula I still work 30 mins less, that part hasn’t changed so don’t understand why pro rata wasn’t mentioned again this year

This is much clearer.

Forget the pro-rats. It’s only relevant if you’re part-time, and now you’re not.

Last year the job paid £19,500.
This year it pays £19,600.
You got a pay rise of £100, a 0.5% pay rise.

Was the ‘salary review’ an automatic cost of living increase, or was it a meeting with your manager to discuss a pay rise and promotion?

If you feel underpaid you should definitely bring it up, and also look for a new job at the same time.

So as I suspected in previous post, you have wasted four pages on this PT / FT discussion which was actually pretty irrelevant.

Your complaint is that your rate of pay hasn’t changed (materially) this year. Well this happens in life, pay is sometimes frozen. I would certainly correct somebody that says you have had an x% increase, I would say “just for clarification, I have increased my hours x%, but my rate of pay is the same”.

However that will not change what you are being paid. If you are not happy with what you are paid, then you need to do the same as anybody does, that is, ask for a payrise or look for a better paid job.

You can give as many examples but people can only help if you detail the three jobs, the hours for each and the salary for each.

Seriously, forget the pro-rata thing as part of this discussion.

The only relevant thing for discussing pay rises is the FTE. Everything is based on that.

The pro-rata thing is only relevant to make sure your net pay - your take-home - is calculated correctly on your payslip.

For pay rises and salary negotiations stick to the FTE salary.

@NoSquirrels No it’s not automatic, its a discussion. I’m mostly confused as my rating was exceptional yet still only a £100 increase. My colleague had a lower rating, and a much higher pay rise. I obviously won’t mention to them that I know this though

So you were paid £18100 and now for the same hour you're being paid £19600? What's the problem with that?