To think the article about Angela Raynor demean all women.

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I don't care what shade your politics are, you should be disgusted by the Daily Fail article claiming that Angela Raynor 'distracts' Boris Johnson by crossing her legs because her debating skills aren't as good as his.

No it's not hard at all as the answer is nothing - other than saying that trans women are not women. That is what it all hinges on for me as without that all female rights evaporate.

No she says women are biological females and those men who go through a 'gender recognition process'. This can involve no medical intervention at all and if stonewall have their way will involve someone saying 'i'm a woman' and nothing else. Complete opposite of what you say. She wants single gender spaces not single sex.

I don't think arguing with @Whatiswrongwithmyknee will get anyone anywhere as they are not able to see the proverbial wood for the trees.

What can I ask what your circumstances are as you seem to have little concern for women who are struggling day to day under the tories? As a single parent, abuse survivor, with a large mortgage (result of divorce) on a teacher salary I am going to struggle to survive. DS is hopefully off to university and I can't help him at all. I have had to take my parents in to live with me as they need care and I am not always there to do it but it's easier here than travelling. I am really on the breadline but I am one of the lucky ones who knows my salary comes through next month (unless something happens otherwise).
What matters to me and hundreds like me is surviving and supporting our kids. Get the tories out and then fight this.

She wants single gender spaces not single sex

Then why didn’t she say single gender spaces? She literally said single sex. Why would you believe a male politician with a track record of lying misogyny over a woman?

Indeed - the Tories are actually terrified of her because she has actual life experience similar to most of us who didn't go to fucking Eton. She doesn't have (or need) the blustering buffoon act of Boris or lie constantly to everyone like Boris.

I'm still waiting to hear about the positive things the Conservatives have done for women since 2010.

Terrified of her?! She is a loudmouth with no substance. Why on earth would they be remotely insecure of her?

*I don't think arguing with @Whatiswrongwithmyknee will get anyone anywhere as they are not able to see the proverbial wood for the trees.

What can I ask what your circumstances are as you seem to have little concern for women who are struggling day to day under the tories?*

Well I could say the same for those people who keep asking what the tories have done for women when no-one is saying they've done anything at all. I think what you are not hearing is that it is because I am concerned about women and especially vulnerable women then I feel we need to keep the language needed to describe a 'woman'. When we lose the ability to know how women fare compared to men and our leaders are saying they don't care, then women are more vulnerable than they've been in more than a century. My hope is that a bad electoral loss will shake up labour so they stop just being a party for men and start providing the genuine party of equality that we need. You can see this as not seeing the wood for the trees but I the comments above about Reeve protecting female spaces - when actually what she is saying is that she wants spaces for women and anyone who says they're a women (aka mixed spaces) - as much more worrying as it means that people are not seeing past the smoke screen.

So the answer is nothing then @Whatiswrongwithmyknee.

She is shagging a married man and calls the opposition ‘scum’. IMHO she is worse and I find it ironic that she gets on her high horse about the behaviour of others. She is an enthusiastic signed up member to the politicians being aggressive and sleazy club.we all deserve better from them and from her.

I don’t read the Mail. This story sounds foul. However I’m still voting Cons for the first time in my life and first generation of my family to do so, because Labour seeks to damage women’s rights with its inability or refusal to to define a woman as an adult human female. I’ll take pretty much any shit before I take that.

My hope is that a bad electoral loss will shake up labour so they stop just being a party for men and start providing the genuine party of equality that we need
But Labour have more women MPs and more on the front bench than the Tories but apparently all these women are all subservient to Starmers will?

You can see this as not seeing the wood for the trees but the comments above about Reeve protecting female spaces - when actually what she is saying is that she wants spaces for women and anyone who says they're a women (aka mixed spaces) - as much more worrying as it means that people are not seeing past the smoke screen

No she didn't at all, i listened to that interview and the transcript says otherwise too, Reeve specifically said womens single sex spaces.

But the Tories are also holding true to the GRA (as our Labour) as its the law of the land and no main party is saying they will get rid of it.

Why is her private life relevant?

Reeve specifically said womens single sex spaces.

But then defined them to include men

This is what Reeves said:

The Equality Act says that there should be safe spaces for people and so no, it wouldn’t mean those things,” she began, before Newman interrupted: “Then that’s not self-ID… self-ID is someone saying: ‘I am a woman, therefore I’m entitled to all the services that any other woman is entitled to.'”
Reeves continued: “The Equality Act explicitly – and we wouldn’t change that – says that there should be places for people, where necessary, for people of a biological sex”.

But what places and what is biological sex? She also said that "if somebody identifies as a woman or a man, they should be able to do so, whatever their body parts are". It's not enough for me when her boss says that it should not be said that only women have a cervix. Not enough at all. She seems one of the more balanced members of her party in this regard but there are still very worrying ommissions in her statements and even more worrying commissions from the labour leader.

And Boris Johnson was shagging various women whilst married. Even whilst his wife had cancer. He has insulted women and said some fucking terrifying things. But that's ok I guess as he once said something you agree with.
I give up

@Pieceofpurplesky you might as well give up. There's no reasoning with these people.

Positive things the conservatives have done since Boris came into power in relation to women and children.

Stopped Self I.D.
So far hasn't implemented compulsory sex education for children ages 3 and up unlike Wales ( which is under Labour administration.) The Welsh government are being taken to court by parents who don't want this for their children.

Boris is capable of defining what a woman is which no other leader of any party is capable of doing, this is important so we can monitor equality, safety and crime against us effectively.

Boris has stated he doesn't think biological males should be in women's sports, prisons, hospital wards.

Sajid Javid himself has also spoken with NHS bosses telling them to follow the guidelines in the EHRC to protect women's single sex wards.

Sajid Javid is concerned that vulnerable children are being given gender hormone treatment before alternatives have been explored so has launched an urgent inquiry into this.
Hormone treatment causes a range of health issues depending on your sex from infertility to osteoporosis amongst other health issues.
There has been a 5000 percent increase in kids being referred for treatment which is mainly effecting young girls, again this has been something brought up by various Tory MPs.
There is also the Cass report which I urge anyone to look at.

Miriam Cates has been amazing advocating for worried parents after receiving many letters/emails from them about the gender ideology in their schools, Ms Cates said she knew of pupils who had been disciplined for complaining when children of the opposite sex were allowed to use their PE changing rooms.
She also revealed that some schools were telling pupils they would be happy if they changed gender, even if they had not told their parents.
There are so many safeguarding failures and we need MPs like Miriam to speak out about it.
I am one of those worried parents.

Yes more can be done most definitely and should be.
But I am not seeing any concern for what is going on in regards to the children and women effected by what is currently happening from the Labour leader and many of his party.

Unfortunately when Labour MPs state that women are dinosaurs hoarding their rights.
That they think rapists should be in women's prisons, they refuse to define what a woman is.
They want to push forward with Self i.d it feels me with dread and to be honest anger.
Women's concerns aren't being listened to instead they are name called and ignored.

I DON'T want to vote for conservatives.
But I will hold my nose and do what's needed.
As I am sure you will have to do with Labour on various situations you aren't happy with.

Both parties are equally shite and the system needs changing.

I am sure as has been done through out the thread repeatedly I will be insulted as has been common place for anyone not towing the line.

But that's fine, I don't need to be reasoned with I can accept other people have different views.

I don't wish to derail the thread so will leave it there.

'No reasoning' = they don't agree with me. I would have hoped for a more adult discussion but hey ho.

I am sure as has been done through out the thread repeatedly I will be insulted as has been common place for anyone not towing the line

I haven’t seen any insults to anyone whether or not they’ve toed the line.

That they think rapists should be in women's prisons

They don’t. Women have been raped in prison under the auspices of a Tory government.

They want to push forward with Self i.d it feels me with dread and to be honest anger

So did Theresa May and who’s to say the Tories won’t do another one of their famous U turns?

She is shagging a married man and calls the opposition ‘scum’.

Have you heard of our PM, Boris Johnson?😆😆😆 And TBF to her, she simply vocalised what a lot of people were thinking at the time. And a lot more think now.

It was meat thrown to distract from the James Gray, Con MP, apology for suggesting sending a bomb to Anneliese Dodds. And it worked.

Firstly you ignored most of my post, especially regarding the children.

Second yes people have been insulted if they haven't conformed on this thread.
Much like the entire debate, if you speak up you are put down.

In regards to you pretending Labour don't think males should be in women's prisons it shows how little you know, a simple Google of Lisa Nandy and women's prisons will bring you up with various articles and also footage of her at a Labour conference when asked specifically if a male rapist should be in a woman's prison she states that she thinks males who self identify should be in women's prisons, she also states she believes their crimes should be recorded as the gender they believe they are..

Yes it was Theresa may who brought it in, it's why I stated positive things the Tories have done since Boris came to power, as he's the current leader.
He stopped self I.d when he came into office as I stated.

In regards to you pretending Labour don't think males should be in women's prisons it shows how little you know

That’s a bit rich from someone who objects to insults.

There are trans women in women’s prisons now - we do have a Conservative government, don’t we? Why aren’t they putting their money where their mouths are? Rachel Reeves said very clearly:

The Equality Act explicitly – and we wouldn’t change that – says that there should be places for people, where necessary, for people of a biological sex.

It's not an insult it's true, you stated they didn't think that so it shows you didn't know as that's not the truth is it..

Personally I wouldn't state someone was wrong about something if I hadn't checked myself.
You were indeed wrong.

Lastly as I have repeatedly stated yes there are rapists in women's prisons now, this wouldn't change under a Labour government.
The fact Boris has stated he doesn't think that should be the case makes me hold out hope that it will change.
I have no hope with Labour on this from the views they have aired on this.

There are various groups fighting for this to stop, I hope as the momentum gathers on this, as it has been that this will stop too.