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Friend hasn't been in contact since my baby was born

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Chiwi · 16/04/2022 06:40

More of a wwyd.
I have a friend who I've known for aroun 6/7 years, pre children for both of us. We met at work and both no longer work at the same place and remained friends. She had a child about 18 months before me and we moved from boozy nights out to zoo days, soft play and quiet dinners post bedtime when we can fit them in. She's a lovely person and I've valued her freindship but we've never been ontop of each other.
Since her first child she has sadly suffered several losses and difficulties conceiving. This has devastated her, understandably, one of these losses especially traumatic as it was during lockdown and she was alone. I have recently had my second child. I told her I was pregnant very sensitively and she replied quite cruelly but I let it go, I know it was hard for her. We didn't speak for a while, not because I was angry just because I was suffering with an awful pregnancy and I know she wouldn't want to hear that, she would love to have an awful pregnancy I'm sure. I reached out towards the end of my pregnancy and we met for dinner, I supported her through a difficult work thing and provided some formal assistance in a work meeting where she was being treated unfairly.
A few weeks later I gave birth to my son. I didn't directly message her, I didn't many people actually. My partner, who she is friends with, announced his arrival on social media so she knows he's here. But I've heard nothing from her, he's now 4 months old.

Should I have let her know directly he was born? It felt cruel to message her, especially when she would have seen anyway. If she hadn't seen on social media or heard from mutual friends she knows I wouldn't still be pregnant at this point. Should I reach out to her? Or is she giving me clear signals that for whatever reason she feels our friendship has ended?
Just to say I experienced a loss before my first pregnancy, she knows this. So I do understand to an extent, but I dealt with it very differently to her and have gone on to have 2 healthy babies so it's very much not the same.

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MyEasterEggs · 16/04/2022 09:28

@springtimeishereagain of course she’s been unreasonable. She’s hurting. Sometimes it’s hard to behave in a reasonable way when you’re in pain.

Her babies have died while other babies have lived. And having a living child isn’t a consolation prize for recurrent miscarriage. My child lost her baby brother and is grieving that loss, something we as a family have to help her navigate and understand, all while going through fertility treatment and shielding her from that. I am so grateful for my living child and would never compare secondary infertility to primary infertility but it comes with its own unique challenges.

OP, you’re a good friend. My friend and I are closer than ever now so there’s always a way through. Don’t wait to message her and hopefully you can patch things over!

JenniferPlantain · 16/04/2022 09:37

I think you’ve been incredibly kind and understanding. Social media announcements are absolutely fine - the assumption is you’re probably rather hectic post-birth with a tiny human to keep alive, so anyone expecting more, or being offended to not get personal messages is a bit high maintenance imo. I’ve had best mates do both and I’ve never cared about holding someone who has just been ripped/cut open to etiquette standards. You've been absolutely lovely about her fertility issues and I suspect (hope) this isn’t her actively feeling negativity towards you, just perhaps avoiding the first conversation about the new baby. It’s a “breaking the seal” avoidance perhaps.

Moving forward I’m just message her something like “Hi, so sorry I haven’t been in touch but it’s been a challenging few months. Fancy a coffee/catch-up soon? Would love to hear your voice.” And then take it from there. Don’t mention babies for now. See what happens. If she doesn’t reply, then maybe she just needs space.

But again, I think you’ve been really kind. X

MaChienEstUnDick · 16/04/2022 09:39

I think if someone had been unkind to me when I told them I was pg, I would have been very wary of directly telling them when I had the baby. Women are vulnerable post-partum; you've said you had a difficult birth and a poorly baby, why would you risk a mean message back? Once bitten, twice shy/people teach us how to treat them, etc etc. Can't understand why you're getting such a hard time for this.

I would go bright and breezy, suggest a coffee without DCs if that's possible for you and see how you get on.

jacks11 · 16/04/2022 09:50

OP

I really don’t think you should take on all the “blame” for this friendship fizzling out. You may not have got it 100% right, but at least tried to do the right thing. Your friend has been unkind, used you when she wanted something from you and then dropped you again. That is not even trying to be a good friend but getting it a bit wrong- that’s just being a poor friend.

I had a friendship which fizzled out due to very similar issues. Sometimes it’s best for both of you to let it go, if it’s run it’s course.

My former friend actively tried to cut out a mutual friend from meetings/chats of a small group of friends because mutual friend was pregnant whilst she was struggling with fertility issues. She took badly when we wouldn’t- we agreed we’d do things separately with her if she couldn’t be around our other friend but that it wasn’t ok to try and cut our friend out of group things. She kept in contact with some of the group and not others for a few months, which was fine- and it all seemed to blow over for a bit.

Then, after a mc (which I know was excruciatingly painful for her, as I was personally very supportive and did a lot of listening/practical support) it deteriorated again. I was frequently accused of being thoughtless or unfeeling, as were others- e.g. mentioning our children was “too much”, even saying something like “sorry can’t come to x because of childcare ” was met with horror. I once picked her up as a favour- driving an hour and a half round trip to do so at very short notice (as in “can you come to x now)- but because I had left a child seat in the back I was “rubbing her face in the fact I had a child”. It was like we were expected to pretend that our children didn’t exist. I could understand not wanting to hear about them constantly, be expected to be surrounded by them at every meet up or go to child friendly venues, surrounded by children etc, but it went far beyond that. She would get upset if we met up with the children, but without her, and did not tell her. If we did tell her, that would upset her too.

It got too much, eventually- I was always second guessing what her reaction to things would be and it became exhausting. I acknowledge that sometimes I got it wrong, but equally, so did she. When I was pregnant with my second, she did not take it well and was quite unkind in her reaction. She tried to get the friendship group to leave me out of things as she didn’t feel she could be around me- surreptitiously at first (e.g organising things but not telling me- friends would often add me in to the group message or ask her why she hadn’t invited me or as, me why I couldn’t come to x) but when that wasn’t successful she basically asked them to leave me out if the group “until she could manage” and was quite unpleasant to us all- but me in particular- when nobody would agree. She didn’t get in contact for months. Then did contact me when she needed help with something within my professional expertise. Once she had got what she needed, she proceeded to ignore me again. It was the last straw. I could accept that she was hurting and finding things difficult. I could accept that she couldn’t cope with having much to do with dc. I could ignore periods of little contact and some of the barbed comments. But the rest? Nope- that was selfish, unkind and, ultimately, quite controlling behaviour. I just let it drift- if she was part of group messages or at mutual gatherings then I would be nice but I did not contact her directly.

The friendships fizzled out- there wasn’t a big argument or falling out, it was just that the friendship didn’t seem to bring her much happiness and certainly brought me more angst and irritation than pleasure. It was a shame because prior to that issue she had been a lot of fun, interesting, gave good advice, was generous with her time etc.

Her friendship with others in our group also drifted- again, neither party seemed to be gaining anything out of continuing them.

She did eventually contact me- I think initially wanting to restart the friendship. It was a bit odd- she accused me of cutting her off when she needed friends and then said she wanted to try to be friends again and “give me another chance” as she missed “everyone”. I said I had tried to be a good friend but that our needs had become completely incompatible- I had children and wasn’t prepared to pretend they did not exist, for example- and that some of her behaviour had been both hurtful and infuriating. I had assumed from her lack of contact that she did not to be close friends in the way we were before. She felt that I should have been “more understanding” of her pain and given her more leeway and time- I pointed out I, and the wider group, had put up with it for several years to varying degrees. I held no animosity, but that the friendship seemed to have run it’s course as it had been bringing little pleasure to either of us. She was quite taken aback, I don’t think she’d really stopped to consider the impact of her behaviour on others. I don’t see her often, but when I do I smile, say hello and am polite. But sometimes there is no going back to the way it was.

Classicblunder · 16/04/2022 09:55

I would get in touch but don't make it about the baby - just a light touch "hi, how are you?" Is a low pressure convo starter

Starbeach · 16/04/2022 10:04

As someone who has been in her shoes just ask her if she wants to meet up for a coffee/meal just the two of you and unless she chooses to bring it up don't talk about your new baby. She's hurting more than you can begin to imagine and she probably needs you but she won't say that

MyEasterEggs · 16/04/2022 10:06

Gosh @jacks11. No excuse for that kind of behaviour - seems other level - but wonder if there’s a chance for this friendship?

I agree with bright and breezy. “Hi, it’s been a while, would love to see your face and grab a quiet cuppa” approach. If it’s convenient for you, of course.

And if she doesn’t respond, you’ve done all you can. Honestly, you’ve been a good friend, and done everything with the best of intentions. Hope you can work it out.

Heartofglass12345 · 16/04/2022 10:20

Sorry but I think she is being unreasonable. I know it's hard for her but it isn't your fault and if she is punishing you for her not being able to have another baby then she doesn't sound like a nice friend to be honest.

Giraffesandbottoms · 16/04/2022 10:58

Agree with sending her a casual message asking to meet up etc. But that would be the most I would do/the last thing if the response was not positive. Asking you if your pregnancy was an accident was pretty shit. Also she does know form
Fb you’ve had a baby and hasn’t bothered getting in touch, which is not fantastic either (I wouldn’t have wanted to message her first either about that, given her reaction to the pregnancy)/you’re a bit damned if you do and damned if you don’t here. It would have cost her nothing to just text “congratulations”.

I think your text message delivery was good btw I can’t see the issue. Often there have been threads on here about this and that’s what people prefer, because they aren’t put on the spot in person or over the phone with something that might upset them.

User1367349 · 16/04/2022 11:43

My advice would be to keep it simple. For all the reasons you have explained plus covid and generally people struggling.

Just message her with a simple genuine message asking how she is and make a suggestion for a nice meet up - perhaps something similar to what you used to do?

lemongreentea · 16/04/2022 12:03

You've done nothing wrong. She was rude and ignorant when you told her you were pregnant. If you hadnt told her she would have been equally upset.

You helped her with a work thing, you've met for lunch.

She woman is not your friend and has acted poorly towards you. Sad for her that shes had losses but doesnt mean it gives her a get out of jail card to take her frustrations out on you.

What exactly have you done wrong except get pregnant and live your life. She sounds jealous and bitter toward you. Are you sure you want her in your life?

TheWayTheLightFalls · 16/04/2022 14:20

I think friendship + miscarriage/infertility + other person's pregnancy is a tough dynamic to work through. You can get it wrong by acting normally, by acting sensitively, by sharing info, by not sharing info, by including her in baby's life, by excluding her from it. She's hurt and may not be all too rational. You feel guilty. It's a nightmare - and I speak as the person who was in your friend's shoes, and had friendships change in various ways post-MC.

I'd leave it a bit longer I think, then see about meeting up casually without kids. But I'd also be widening your social circle and expecting the worst in terms of the lifespan of this friendship.

VerbenaVerbena · 16/04/2022 14:35

I don't think you've done anything wrong.
You could send a casual, friendly message like "I hope you're having a nice Easter weekend" but I don't see the need to add a suggestion to meet up in the initial message. That could come naturally later depending on her response.

Chiwi · 16/04/2022 18:26

Little update. I messaged her this morning very casually as suggested and asked if she would like to go for coffee, she read it hours ago and hasn't replied, been online lots. Knowing her as I do I don't think she will reply now, which is fine. At least I know where I stand at this point and I shouldn't message her again.
Thanks for all the good advice!

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Tulipsanddaffs06 · 16/04/2022 19:10

Read your update, that’s such a shame OP, I’m hoping she’ll message you back. But tbh, I don’t think she’s been a very nice friend to you lately so I’m not sure it’s much of a loss. At least you can say you’ve tried. I get she’s in a painful situation (but I’m sorry, IMO it’s not the same as primary infertility and it makes me so angry when people say it is, but that’s a whole other thread) but it’s not your fault and her wanting to put some distance between you for a bit is entirely understandable but to not ever message you to say congratulations when she blatantly knows your baby is here just seems petty.

lemongreentea · 16/04/2022 19:15

You are the bigger person OP. At least you tried.

wingscrow · 16/04/2022 19:23

I really don't like the assumption that if someone is struggling to conceive/can't have kids they are entitled to react badly/be ''cruel'' when someone is pregnant/gives birth.

I needed to have a hysterectomy when young-ish and will never have my own kids. Not once did I think that it would make it OK for me to be hostile towards other women...it is not their fault that I cannot have children now.

I would personally be much less understanding towards your friend and leave her be. if she wants to contact you, she will, if not, it is her loss. You need people in your life who bring positivity and who don't resent you having children.

I think you have done all your can to keep that friendship.

burnoutbabe · 16/04/2022 19:25

I agree you didn't need to have personally told her about having the baby. She knew already you were pregnant and had met you for lunch a week before so clearly knew a birth was imminent, so why should she need special warning you'd had the baby.

Least you have now tried.

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 16/04/2022 19:25

She doesn't sound like a very nice person, sounds like she was fine to see you when she was getting something out of it (help with work issue) and then dropped you

There's no excuse for acting badly to a friend, if shes struggling with you having a baby then she could have messaged saying that

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