To be totally fed up with dogs?

[dogtroubl]

When we moved in, neighbours had an old dog that used to wander into our garden and leave poo everywhere. Couldn’t use garden with young kids due to mess and large dog.

Complained (politely), after quite a bit of unpleasantness fence finally fixed, dog died and they got 2 new dogs that were loud but contained.

Neighbours moved, new neighbours also have 2 dogs and fence is in a bad state of repair again due to the constant barking, snarling and scratching that happens every time we go outside. I always make sure I’m out there with the kids in case it breaks because they don’t sound friendly at all.

Their neighbours also have 2 dogs so the 2 sets are always setting each other off barking.

Family members also have dogs. One very old who soils everywhere and one very large, young dog who is very playful and jumps up and licks and dribbles all over you.

My daughter is terrified (the dog is easily as tall as her) and the family member always says dog will be shut away when we go over, but dog is always let or gets out soon after. I can tell my daughter’s fear of this dog irritates the family member but she’s genuinely scared after an incident when she was a toddler, plus this dog is like a horse to her and could do serious damage even with just a nip.

We’ve been to a few kids’ playgrounds over the holidays, dogs off lead and running all over the place at each one. Chasing kids in a “playful” way that scares them.

Dog poo all over footpaths and verges everywhere. Kids tread in it, I tread in it, buggy goes in it because I don’t see it until it’s too late.

I know it’s bad owners not the dogs’ fault etc but AIBU to just be totally fed up with dogs?

@Labscollie

Fact remains though doesn’t it? Irrespective of where you place dogs on the hierarchy of life they’re below kids! Don’t know why that triggers some people.

I mean I love my kids and my dog but my dog knows her place in the pecking order. Thankfully.

Which is more than can be said for some dog owners and their kids/dogs. My niece had to have plastic surgery on the end of her nose after the dog bit it because it genuinely didn’t know it’s place in the pecking order.

[quote JollyWilloughby]@Labscollie

Fact remains though doesn’t it? Irrespective of where you place dogs on the hierarchy of life they’re below kids! Don’t know why that triggers some people.

I mean I love my kids and my dog but my dog knows her place in the pecking order. Thankfully.

Which is more than can be said for some dog owners and their kids/dogs. My niece had to have plastic surgery on the end of her nose after the dog bit it because it genuinely didn’t know it’s place in the pecking order.[/quote]
Triggered? This thread has been nothing but a pile on for people to bitch about dogs per se. How dare they be allowed to exist, walk the roads and breathe the same air as people.The language used is quite laughable. The exaggeration levels have been pathetic. I do find it surprising how many ppl are saying dogs make a play for them. Dogs are normally instinctive about those who are kind hearted, as opposed to ice queens.

YANBU. My scummy neighbours have got three small dogs who they clearly can't be arsed with. They never walk them and just lock them outstde to bark endlessly. I wish they'd just rehome them to someone who would actually give them attention. I agree with the PP who said too many irresponsible people have dogs and it causes these types of problems. People want a dog as an accessory basically.

@SomethingOnce

What about if the dogs you mention are just as fucking sick of you and your kids? What can they do to complain about you…

But I'm not sick of dogs as such - just people letting them run wild because they cba with them. I have dogs myself.

Almost always the “owners”
A badly behaved dog is the product of its environment
No dog asked not to be walked, not stimulated, not neutered, not vaccinated, not cared for, not fed properly and given a shit life wandering around a back garden or a flat. It’s the fuckwit(s) that bought them on a whim with no idea that are to blame and it’s a disgrace

I own two small dogs to whom I'm devoted, but Ie accept that not eeryone else likes dogs and may even be afraid of dogs after a bad experience in the past with one.
If I had a friend with a badly-behaved dog I would simply and b,untly tell her that her dog isn't welcome in my home, and also detail exactly why i find her animal unbearable to have around.
And yes, I also think the dog licence should be reintroduced 9but set to a much more realistic feel ie £50 per dog per annum, with the exception being made for registered assistance dogs only.

@Labscollie

What a load of crap. My dog has never made a bee line for anybody because she’s well trained.

Is that what you lot are saying now? If my dog makes a bee line for you it’s because it can sense evil?

More like an excuse for having a poorly trained dog!

Dogs are normally instinctive about those who are kind hearted, as opposed to ice queens.

Eh?

It’s really rare. Plus of all the times I know of where there’s been a serious incident involving a dog, it’s been the human’s fault.

For example, my uncle used to retrain traumatised rescue dogs. One called Bo had been badly abused (it was heartbreaking: his ears had slashes in where someone had cut him with scissors, he had marks on his head where cigarettes had been stubbed out, and he couldn’t open his eyes fully because of the trauma) - he was such a lovely dog though, incredibly affectionate, just wanted love. My uncle used to take him for walks to get his confidence back. Because he was a rescue and understandably nervous around people he didn’t know, and unpredictable, my uncle went to extraordinary lengths. The dog wore a high viz coat saying “no humans/no dogs”, he was on a lead at all times, and my uncle would divert him out of the path of others.

One stupid woman approached them one day and my uncle told her verbally that he was a rescue, he’d been abused, he was unpredictable, and he didn’t need to be patted. This woman said she was good with dogs and just didn’t listen to what my uncle was saying. Bo was frightened and baring his teeth and growling in warning - he clearly didn’t want her near him. My uncle tried to walk him away, but she followed and tried to reach down, and Bo thought she was going to grab him or something and snapped at her. Not a proper bite, it was a warning. But because of that stupid woman it was Bo that had to pay the price. Luckily the magistrate agreed it was the woman’s fault and she’d had enough warnings so Bo didn’t get put down but for the rest of his life he had to walk with a muzzle - adding trauma to trauma.

But still of that 8000 no one can tell us how many are attacks that happened in public parks or other public places, as opposed to at home, which is the relevant issue being discussed (ie how prevalent is inappropriate dog behaviour towards strangers in public places)

Well, i would imagine that dogs prone to attacking in the home, will do so out and about too?

And sorry but it is still the case that the behaviour being described (dogs running up and jumping on strangers) is really quite rare

Nope it is not and it shouldn't happen at all.

Now when you consider that there are posters on here claiming some of those of us who love dogs hate children and would be pleased to see the go blind, you can see why this ludicrous exaggeration is a fairly obvious explanation for why the experiences of many of us on here bear no relationship with the claims made

mmm i think that whatever your interest/hobby, one tends to not notice the negatives, so what you might not be care about, passes you by but it certainly doesn't other people.

i.e. Dog shit, doesn't bother many dog owners, they live with the stuff... and they become blind too it, same with barking etc.

People wouldn't be so passionate about this subject if there wasn't real problems with owners and their dogs.

@tigger2022 Sorry but that is clearly your uncles fault, what if that had been a toddler that Bo bit?

Nervous biting dogs should be walked well away from people, not on public paths and if he cannot provide that, he shouldn't be looking after this dog or at the very least muzzling Bo.
An anti biting muzzle is not adding trauma to trauma either, dogs very quickly get used to them.

@Alexandra2001 as I wrote above, that’s exactly what he did, he kept Bo away from people. Bo was incredibly traumatised and my uncle knew he was not predictable. the woman ignored numerous verbal and visual warnings and tried to reach for a dog that was growling at her, which is why the magistrate ruled it wasn’t his fault. “What if it was a toddler” is just a really silly question- it wasn’t, it was a grown woman who should have known better. I don’t think many parents would let a toddler approach a growling dog when the owner is warning them to stay away.

[quote tigger2022]@Alexandra2001 as I wrote above, that’s exactly what he did, he kept Bo away from people. Bo was incredibly traumatised and my uncle knew he was not predictable. the woman ignored numerous verbal and visual warnings and tried to reach for a dog that was growling at her, which is why the magistrate ruled it wasn’t his fault. “What if it was a toddler” is just a really silly question- it wasn’t, it was a grown woman who should have known better. I don’t think many parents would let a toddler approach a growling dog when the owner is warning them to stay away.[/quote]
I wouldn't bet on that!
I am just saying that when dealing with the public and a very nervous dog, a muzzle should have been worn.

Look we once had a rescue dog similar to your Uncles but we had land and it never went out in public but even then it attacked my Mum x2 and we had it destroyed.

It is beyond belief what people will do to animals, then again hearing what is happening in other parts of the world to humans, perhaps it isn't.

Dogs are normally instinctive about those who are kind hearted, as opposed to ice queens.
Mate it’s a dog not an empath

Dogs ARE empaths.

What a bonkers thread.

I'm completely with you. I also can't stand how in general people's dogs never listen to them. It doesn't fill me with confidence at all.

Sadly Bo died a couple of years after, my uncle thinks he had internal injuries from the abuse (he thinks he was kicked a lot) but you have to understand a muzzle is not a neutral item, you only use them when absolutely needed for the shortest possible time otherwise it’s cruel. Imagine if you weren’t allowed outside unless your hands were cuffed behind your back, that’s the equivalent. Dogs don’t do these things for fun, only when they feel threatened. Having dogs “destroyed” because you can’t look after them is just tragic.

@OperationMincemeat more so than people by the looks of things!!

It’s really rare. Plus of all the times I know of where there’s been a serious incident involving a dog, it’s been the human’s fault.

Yes, but which human? The human minding their own business walking/running/sitting, or the human allowing their untrained, unleashed dog to approach people?

I think your example of the woman insisting on petting a clearly nervous, reactionary animal is indeed rare. But dogs running up to people/jumping up etc is not rare at all. Most dogs are fine. Most owners are fine. But that's not what this is about. It's the people who don't train their dogs, who don't pick up after them, who allow their pets to bark ... and bark ... and bark. It only takes a few to affect a lot. But it's not rare.

If it was so common that most people didn't pick up after dogs, we would be wading in dog shit. My dog shits six times a day. She could fill up the cul de sac single-pawed in about a fortnight.

@ABitBesottedWithMyDog

If it was so common that most people didn't pick up after dogs, we would be wading in dog shit. My dog shits six times a day. She could fill up the cul de sac single-pawed in about a fortnight.

Perhaps you’ve missed the point of the thread, which is that many of us are wading in dog shit. My street is like a medieval alley.

Having dogs “destroyed” because you can’t look after them is just tragic

Its irresponsible to keep a dog that attacks people and won't stop, we had the dog for a quite a while and it was with approval of the rescue centre too "Destroyed" is a common term.

But you highlight (perhaps, i don't know you) the difference between us, i don't put dogs above people.... but i'll temper that with some people don't deserve to be either (such as the people who tortured Max and Bo) but thats a different debate

Oh, we live in Dogshit Alley. It's a constant refrain on our local Facebook group. And for good reason. It only takes a couple of lazy owners per street for the dog crap to get out of control. Two or three shits per dog per day and there's enough ganache to ice the wheels of everybody's prams and scooters and a bit left over for the treads of their trainers. My visitors had to tiptoe around a lovely arrangement of doggy deposits outside our hedge last week. One of them lifted it as they had a few bags in the car which they normally use to dispose of their doggy's doings responsibly. See, I know it's not everyone.

[quote JollyWilloughby]@BluePooToo

Children are above dogs in the social hierarchy.[/quote]
Says who? I prefer dogs to other people’s children.