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Alondra · 14/04/2022 14:46

[quote myrtleWilson]@Alondra

I've said time and again that people with ED will feel safer in restaurants that gives them a calorie count

I presume you've mistyped and meant to include "some people with ED" because I can assure you my daughter does not feel safer in restaurants that gives them a calorie count[/quote]
I'm glad. And yes, I should have said some.

Patchbatch · 14/04/2022 14:46

Some people with EDs will struggle, some will find it useful, the vast majority of the population just want to remain ignorant and hope calories don't count if you don't know about them.

BrightOrangeOrange · 14/04/2022 14:48

@Jacopo

Guess what, you can reduce the amount you are eating in restaurants by having a smaller sized portion of your favourite food. You don’t even have to ask the waiter. You just leave some food on the plate.

Amazing but true. You don’t have to eat that entire pizza.

Clever you!

Maybe the restaurants could do small cheaper portions so there are two sizes to choose from. I know some places offer lighter options.

I like having the calorie content on the menu. Especially as I'm trying to lose a bit of weight as I said earlier.

Grandville · 14/04/2022 14:49

I think it's excellent as I can make informed choices and budget accurately for my food intake.

I went out at the weekend and looking at the pudding menu was a massive eye opener. The most calorific was caramel churros at 1300 calories least was a lemony posset at 300. All the others somewhere in between. I would not however have guessed just how much some of them where. Loads of them were over half the average woman's recommended intake.

I wasn't going to have one anyway but it would have definitely helped me choose if I were.

Tulipblacksmith · 14/04/2022 14:49

@Alondra

The discussion changed though didn’t it? That’s not a deflection, that’s just naturally how discussions and debates flow.

You stated earlier up the thread that people with EDs do not go to restaurants as they will be under the care of a MH team.

The definition of mental health recovery is the exact reason why you were wrong when you said people with EDs don’t go to resty. Everybody knows MH recovery can be lifelong hence people will have to manage their ED potentially for the rest of their lives.

Also not ALL people with EDs feel safer with calories on the menu as evidenced by people who have already commented to dispute that, but which you are just choosing to ignore.

You are over generalising far too much.

Anyway it’s a non issue after reading the guidance as thankfully there will be alternative menus that do not display the calorie counts.

Alondra · 14/04/2022 14:49

myrtleWilson

If you don't mind asking....how old is your daughter and how long since she was diagnosed with an ED?

myrtleWilson · 14/04/2022 14:49

@Alondra - you're glad my daughter doesn't feel safer in a restaurant that provides calorie content???? Jesus fucking christ

Tulipblacksmith · 14/04/2022 14:49

*restaurants

myrtleWilson · 14/04/2022 14:57

@Tulipblacksmith my understanding was the regulations "permit" non calorie menus they don't require venues to have them available - would you mind linking to the regulation if it says otherwise (I'd feel happier knowing I could point restaurants to a must rather than a may!)

Alondra · 14/04/2022 14:57

[quote Tulipblacksmith]@Alondra

The discussion changed though didn’t it? That’s not a deflection, that’s just naturally how discussions and debates flow.

You stated earlier up the thread that people with EDs do not go to restaurants as they will be under the care of a MH team.

The definition of mental health recovery is the exact reason why you were wrong when you said people with EDs don’t go to resty. Everybody knows MH recovery can be lifelong hence people will have to manage their ED potentially for the rest of their lives.

Also not ALL people with EDs feel safer with calories on the menu as evidenced by people who have already commented to dispute that, but which you are just choosing to ignore.

You are over generalising far too much.

Anyway it’s a non issue after reading the guidance as thankfully there will be alternative menus that do not display the calorie counts.[/quote]

I've never said people with eating disorders never go to restaurants. I've said many people with ED feel safer with menu calorie counts and at home.

I've said people with ED have normal lives. Some will never fully trust restaurants but will have normal lives.

Look, I think we have all strayed from the original post. This is not a thread about people with ED. Its about someone complaining their pizza came with a calorie count.

Tulipblacksmith · 14/04/2022 14:58

@myrtleWilson

My mistake. It is just permit.

PurpleDaisies · 14/04/2022 14:59

This is not a thread about people with ED. Its about someone complaining their pizza came with a calorie count.

People with ED are the main reason why this change is controversial. It’s entirely relevant to the discussion.

707smile · 14/04/2022 14:59

I think it must be so awful for people with Anorexia or Bulimia.

Also for people who overeat (or have Binge Eating Disorder) like me, it's actually not always helpful to know the calories as sometimes my line of thinking would be along the lines of 'I've blown it today by not sticking to 1500 calories so I might aswell cut loose and eat dessert/go nuts and binge eat'.

I think that there should be a menu with calories available on request, rather than provided to all.

Tulipblacksmith · 14/04/2022 15:05

@Alondra

Please refer to what you have previously said.

Which is that people with an eating disorder would not go to pizza express and that people with eating disorders are all receiving treatment from MH teams.

Some massive over generalisations there.

Alondra · 14/04/2022 15:05

I'm out. I just keep repeating myself with ED issues.

To the original post - Food information is essential for the majority. If you don't want to read it, go to next item.

Tulipblacksmith · 14/04/2022 15:09

@Alondra

You can’t just go to the next item though can you? They display the calorie content for all meals.

You’re not repeating yourself, you’re making claims and then backtracking as we go along.

gogohm · 14/04/2022 15:12

I like it myself, it nudges me to healthier options. We eat out a fair amount so probably I'm the target rather than a rare treat customer

Alondra · 14/04/2022 15:18

[quote Tulipblacksmith]@Alondra

You can’t just go to the next item though can you? They display the calorie content for all meals.

You’re not repeating yourself, you’re making claims and then backtracking as we go along.[/quote]
Look, a menu comes with different dishes listing ingredients which will come under icons of gluten free, vegan or calorie control.

I just don't understand why calorie content has become such an issue when menus for years have been displaying other nutritional and lifestyle value.

Some of you on this thread have truly lost it.

MedusasBadHairDay · 14/04/2022 15:21

Look, a menu comes with different dishes listing ingredients which will come under icons of gluten free, vegan or calorie control.

Do you even understand what this thread is about? It's not about a calorie control section on a menu

myrtleWilson · 14/04/2022 15:24

I think @alondra you lost it when you appeared to say you were glad my daughter didn't feel safer in restaurants with calories on menus - not even a lack of empathy but a joy in her discomfort is cruel.

littlemissmagic · 14/04/2022 15:26

@Alondra
Of course some people with eating disorders will be pleased to see calories on a menu. It means they can restrict and eat the lowest calorie item on the menu!
Someone with an eating disorder is mentally ill. What they say is helping them feel in control (calories on menus) can be an excuse to restrict calories and lose weight.

Alondra · 14/04/2022 15:34

@MedusasBadHairDay

Look, a menu comes with different dishes listing ingredients which will come under icons of gluten free, vegan or calorie control.

Do you even understand what this thread is about? It's not about a calorie control section on a menu

Yes, I do.

This is the original post...

Visited pizza express last night to catch up with a girlfriend - first visit since pre pandemic. Ordered my favourite fiorentina pizza with spinach and egg but my enjoyment was somewhat diminished by reading the 950 calorie count on the menu. I understand that this is the law now. Who decided that this is a good idea? Absolutely crazy

This is the post of someone having a whinge because her enjoyment was diminished by the calorie count on the menu. Since the original post, typical of MN, everyone is frothing about ED issues.

Tulipblacksmith · 14/04/2022 15:35

@Alondra

I just don't understand why calorie content has become such an issue when menus for years have been displaying other nutritional and lifestyle value

If you do not understand why listing calories is different to displaying other types of nutritional information, then that is all the evidence I need that informs me you have zero knowledge on eating disorders.

Tulipblacksmith · 14/04/2022 15:38

@Alondra

No one is "frothing" over EDs, and as this new law will potentially affect those with EDs, it is an entirely relevant discussion. Your lack of empathy is really shining through now.

Alondra · 14/04/2022 15:42

[quote Tulipblacksmith]@Alondra

I just don't understand why calorie content has become such an issue when menus for years have been displaying other nutritional and lifestyle value

If you do not understand why listing calories is different to displaying other types of nutritional information, then that is all the evidence I need that informs me you have zero knowledge on eating disorders.[/quote]
Enough with the crap for crying out loud.

If you think listing calories is different from other food information, more power to you to disregard what you don't want to hear. My opinion is the opposite.

If you don't control calories and lead a sedentary life without exercise, you will become overweight or obese.