Please or to access all these features

Add post

Watch this thread

Save thread

Start a new thread

Flip thread

Hide thread

My feed

Active Unanswered threads

Getting started FAQ's

Unanswered threads Acronyms Talk guidelines

Hide shortcut buttons

Talk

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Flip

1 2 3 4

Original poster

Boris and Fixed Penalty Notice

95 replies

BarrelOfOtters2 · 12/04/2022 14:04

So Boris and Rishi both been issed Fixed Penalty Notices for attending illegal gatherings.

Maybe we'll get the Sue Gray report now.

OP posts:

Parker231 · 12/04/2022 16:30

Looks like this only relates to his birthday party so he’s in line for further fines for the other parties. Apparently fines are being issued in batches on a party by party basis.

longwayoff · 12/04/2022 16:40

Oh my God, they are all so vile. We are lost, a global laughing stock. The thought of Gove, Mogg, Truss, or fgs Dorries . . . No. All of them. Awful.

LardyDee · 12/04/2022 16:46

@longwayoff

Oh my God, they are all so vile. We are lost, a global laughing stock. The thought of Gove, Mogg, Truss, or fgs Dorries . . . No. All of them. Awful.

We've been that for a few years now! The UK's main purpose on the "world stage" is for light relief. Everyone competent and honest has been driven from the Tory party due to brexit. It's really amazing how far the overseas perception has changed. I don't think many people realise, and to be fair a substantial proportion don't care.

longwayoff · 12/04/2022 16:51

Michael Fabricant is famous for knowing nothing at all about anything at all. I've always assumed he's elected purely for entertainment. Pay no attention to him.

HardyBuckette · 12/04/2022 18:52

All the hairspray has probably addled his brain.

Geepee71 · 12/04/2022 19:05

He had to read his 'apology' from his notes on the clip shown on the news item.

pointythings · 12/04/2022 20:10

Meanwhile it's depressing over on the other thread asking Tory voters how they feel that so many think it's nothing, they all do it, what about Keir Starmer, Corbyn would have been worse... UK politics are so tribal it's a joke. We're going to be stuck with Tory governments forever because people are wedded to the idea of them.

Torontoflyer · 12/04/2022 20:15

@HardyBuckette

I don't see Rishi hanging around for long given the tax and green card situations, so it's possible they might try and present him as the sacrificial lamb.

Interesting. I wonder if they have leaked the non-dom info a tad too soon.

Torontoflyer · 12/04/2022 20:20

@EyePeeEh

I’m interested to see how much the British public cares.

He should absolutely resign, but I don’t see that happening unless there’s immense pressure, and unfortunately think there’s a bit out outrage fatigue.

I do care about Party gate but I care even more about the lies BJ told about it afterwards, some of them in Parliament.

Merrymouse · 13/04/2022 06:42

@Parker231

Looks like this only relates to his birthday party so he’s in line for further fines for the other parties. Apparently fines are being issued in batches on a party by party basis.

Yes - how

Merrymouse · 13/04/2022 06:47

Oops!

Yes - how many apologies is he going to have to make?

I think the party at the flat in November seems most difficult to defend.

Isn’t there also a pending Arcuri/London Mayor investigation?

I don’t think he will resign, but, I also don’t think the revelations and stories will stop.

Merrymouse · 13/04/2022 06:54

He was popular for a time but just doesn’t have the “but that’s just good old Boris” routine to fall back on.

The key thing about the ‘good old Boris routine’ is that only a minority buy it, but some of them happened to live in key seats at the last election. Also, although Johnson was generally unpopular at the last election, he wasn’t as unpopular as Corbyn.

Who knows what will be happening at the next election, but I don’t think Cakeism and Brexit will swing it again.

Zonder · 13/04/2022 06:54

We won’t see much of Carrie over the coming months. Perhaps photos of her and the children during a platinum jubilee event.

Probably time to pop out another baby.

AlternativePerspective · 13/04/2022 07:03

It’s not going to happen.

The time for resignation was when the parties became public knowledge. Fines are just the punishment for those parties, nothing new has actually emerged here, and most people are done being outraged about it.

Added to which it looks highly likely that Russia are going to claim victory in Ukraine very soon, so the media are going to have bigger things to report on.

sashagabadon · 13/04/2022 07:06

The parties were in the media when they happened so that is an indication to me they did not think they were against the law or they would not have been briefed.
It would be utterly ridiculous for a PM and Chancellor to resign over a cake and singing happy birthday at work.

Merrymouse · 13/04/2022 07:07

most people are done being outraged about it.

I don’t think that is true. The anniversaries of the isolated funerals and deaths will continue to be remembered, and for many the memory of the isolation they endured during lockdown will continue to be painful. This won’t go away.

tiredanddangerous · 13/04/2022 07:09

I think people have got outrage fatigue when it comes to Boris at this point. Nothing is shocking any more so he just gets away with it.

Merrymouse · 13/04/2022 07:11

It would be utterly ridiculous for a PM and Chancellor to resign over a cake and singing happy birthday at work.

You have misunderstood. The reason for the resignation would be breaking the law and lying, and/or stupidity.

Because he is dishonest/stupid he won’t resign, and the public will have to decide.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/04/2022 07:14

ilovesooty

He lied to Parliament. He should go.“

Yep but he won’t. Haven’t you heard, he’s a war hero now 🙄

girlmom21 · 13/04/2022 07:19

He's said he won't resign. He won't call a GE because there's no need. The only way he'll be ousted would be a vote of no confidence and some MP's have withdrawn their letters.

He really is Teflon isn't he?!

itsgettingweird · 13/04/2022 07:26

@sashagabadon

The parties were in the media when they happened so that is an indication to me they did not think they were against the law or they would not have been briefed. It would be utterly ridiculous for a PM and Chancellor to resign over a cake and singing happy birthday at work.

It's not the cake and birthday bash.

It's minimising and bordering on gaslighting that people focus on that.

It's the point that he broke the ministerial code.

However he's now coming out and saying he didn't knowingly lie to the HoC as he didn't believe he had broken any law.

It just gets more and more ridiculous. It would seem Boris doesn't understand much about any rules at all ever (he's lied so many times, been sacked for it and even found guilty of illegally proroguing parliament).

Apparently not even ones he joint wrote, signed off on and publicly announced to the public exist and explained why.

He's scrapping the bottom of the barrel and whatever opinions on Boris and the party he's proving he has no scruples and for that I think he needs to go.

We can't trust him. How do we expect the world outside of the uk to trust him? And we need someone we can trust and who others trust right now.

Spidey66 · 13/04/2022 07:39

I'm a nurse. I'm fairly certain if I did the same, I'd be reported to the NMC and be struck off the register and not work again. But of course its one rule for Boris & Co and one rule for the rest of us.

He needs to go.

NETSRIK · 13/04/2022 07:41

All I hope is that more fines are issued and one of them is for the ABBA themed party and then he has to try to lie his way out of that one. Which he will.

AlexaShutUp · 13/04/2022 07:42

@sashagabadon

The parties were in the media when they happened so that is an indication to me they did not think they were against the law or they would not have been briefed. It would be utterly ridiculous for a PM and Chancellor to resign over a cake and singing happy birthday at work.

So are you saying that the PM and the Chancellor were actually too stupid to understand the laws that they themselves introduced and repeatedly urged people to follow? That they broke the law essentially because they were not intelligent enough to realise?

That's quite a damning assertion in itself tbh, even if you don't accept the mainstream view that they considered themselves to be above the law and then lied about breaking it.

This was not some obscure statute that they couldn't possibly have known about. This was the law that they were on our screens every day asking us to observe. Only a complete idiot could have failed to realise that what they were doing was in breach of it.

SleeplessInEngland · 13/04/2022 07:42

People still saying it’s just about ‘cake’. Idiots.

Flip

1 2 3 4

Swipe left for the next trending thread