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Panorama( Young families Struggling)

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dottydodah · 12/04/2022 11:12

Did anyone see this last evening? A lady with 2 small DC and a husband working as a Research Scientist was struggling with bills .Another young Mum in tears as her energy bill was so high.A third lady (working as a Nurse) not able to run a car. How will they manage to keep going? Surely Govt could do more?

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Babyroobs · 16/04/2022 13:48

@Dairymilk50

I've just read this article and it shouldn't be allowed to be printed. A mother and child living off of £1,251? Its false.

She would get working TC and child tax credit. If she is on UC she would definitely be entitled to money... as my own wage is higher so I've compared my Own wage which is high than hers. Plus she would get Child benefit also.

You cannot compare what UC she might get with your own situation as everyone will be different depending on whether they rent or have a mortgage, age of kids etc, whether they were born before April 2017 and therefore not subject to the 2 child cap on child element..
Blondeshavemorefun · 16/04/2022 14:23

@Blossomtoes

Bread 59p and beans now 1.09 was 89p from Aldi - beans on roast. Cheap. Yummy. Filling

No nutritional value. Plastic bread full of additives. Pure carbs. Nobody can live on beans on toast and it’s a very long way from yummy.

I love beans on toast. Have it lesst once a Week

Yes May be carbs but lesst good

Or pasta and tom sauce

Or tinned soup

All cheap

A person shouldn’t have to not eat at all

That’s what I meant

Dairymilk50 · 16/04/2022 14:38

@Blondeshavemorefun exactly and the WTC £51 x 4 it would be so that's over £200 missed out of the calculation. It's very misleading I honestly just can't believe that article.

Council tax is a large bill for most. It's not based on the no of bedrooms It's based upon the land your property is on.

BoredZelda · 16/04/2022 14:39

No nutritional value. Plastic bread full of additives. Pure carbs. Nobody can live on beans on toast and it’s a very long way from yummy.

Beans are full of fibre, good source of iron, protein, vitamin B and other minerals. The sauce also has lycopene which helps prevent cancer. They are one of your 5 a day. Most varieties have a much lower salt and sugar content than they used to.

All bread in the U.K. is fortified with several nutrients including calcium and iron.

It might not be the absolute pinnacle of a healthy diet but to suggest it is devoid of nutrients is incorrect.

We often have it as a light meal if we don’t fancy a big dinner. Of course nobody can live solely on beans on toast, but equally, nobody can live solely on carrots either.

Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 14:43

It's not based on the no of bedrooms It's based upon the land your property is on

It’s based on the value of the property which takes into account a number of factors.

I can’t believe you think it’s acceptable for people to just eat crap with no nutritional value @Blondeshavemorefun. Why can’t we find ways of making it possible for people to have decent nutritious food, regardless of income?

Dairymilk50 · 16/04/2022 14:45

@Babyroobs the details were in the article. Have you taken the time to read it? I know my own situation.... my wage is higher than hers I will say it again so I know for a FACT it is untrue. The lady was not in private it showed a breakdown of her outgoings...

Her Son from the picture was no way young enough to be included in that cap. It didn't state she had multiple children it was just the 1 DC.

There's no way she lives off of £1,251 she was renting in private and it stated the future also.
Everyone gets the basic element of Child tax and they have it on UC also. If I get help from UC and she doesn't on a lower wage how can that make sense?? The figures made no sense because they have not times the £51 x 4.

To be honest I don't believe it.

@Blondeshavemorefun I love beans on toast too .. carbs would be the least of your worries if you was struggling it's a meal.

Organictangerine · 16/04/2022 14:45

Low sugar/salt beans on whole meal toast with a handful of grated cheese and a piece of fruit is a perfectly adequate meal.

What would you call ‘decent nutritious food’, Blossomtoes?

Dairymilk50 · 16/04/2022 14:46

@Blossomtoes

It's not based on the no of bedrooms It's based upon the land your property is on

It’s based on the value of the property which takes into account a number of factors.

I can’t believe you think it’s acceptable for people to just eat crap with no nutritional value @Blondeshavemorefun. Why can’t we find ways of making it possible for people to have decent nutritious food, regardless of income?

Yes the value of the land. What other factors?

The no of bedrooms has nothing to do with it weather you have 1 bed or 4 it's irrelevant.

Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 14:47

@Organictangerine

Low sugar/salt beans on whole meal toast with a handful of grated cheese and a piece of fruit is a perfectly adequate meal.

What would you call ‘decent nutritious food’, Blossomtoes?

Grated cheese and fruit weren’t mentioned @Organictangerine. Can we leave the goalposts in the same place?
Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 14:52

What other factors?

The value is based on the price the property would have sold for on the open market on 1 April 1991 in England and 1 April 2003 in Wales

www.gov.uk/guidance/understand-how-council-tax-bands-are-assessed

Obviously that valuation was based on factors like the size of the property which would involve the number of bedrooms, whether it’s a flat, terrace, semi or detached. The land isn’t a factor.

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/04/2022 14:57

@Blossomtoes beans on toast isn’t crap food

No it’s not healthy like veg but surely eating that or tinned soup has got to be better then not eating at all

Organictangerine · 16/04/2022 14:58

Ok Blossom. What would you call a decent nutritious meal?

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/04/2022 14:59

And yes obv a bit of grated cheese and an apple or banana would make it healthy but that adds extra cost

Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 15:02

@Organictangerine

Ok Blossom. What would you call a decent nutritious meal?
Some protein, carbs, fat and green veg or salad. Same as most people, I guess. And you’re right - the addition of cheese and fruit would improve it no end but it would no longer be a cheap meal for someone who can’t afford to eat.
Dairymilk50 · 16/04/2022 15:03

@Blossomtoes

What other factors?

The value is based on the price the property would have sold for on the open market on 1 April 1991 in England and 1 April 2003 in Wales

www.gov.uk/guidance/understand-how-council-tax-bands-are-assessed

Obviously that valuation was based on factors like the size of the property which would involve the number of bedrooms, whether it’s a flat, terrace, semi or detached. The land isn’t a factor.

Your being obtuse location and land come hand in hand.

I have looked at the link and it states size of the property we all know if you live some where expensive it's likely your CT will be higher...

Organictangerine · 16/04/2022 15:07

Like what though Blossomtoes? A specific example? Not every meal needs to include every food group, it’s just about making sure the groups are covered across the course of the day and that each meal covers a couple of them.

Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 15:09

But you said it’s based upon the land your property is on and it’s not. Please don’t call me obtuse, it’s rude.

Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 15:11

Oh give over @Organictangerine. I’ve answered your question, just leave it now.

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Dairymilk50 · 16/04/2022 15:23

@Blossomtoes

But you said it’s based upon the land your property is on and it’s not. Please don’t call me obtuse, it’s rude.
You was being rude. Being awkward over cheese and fruit. Now you give over.
Eggshausted · 16/04/2022 15:32

@painauraisin

I'm surprised nobody has been on yet to say that they shouldn't have had kids if they can't afford to support them. That's usually one of the first lines trotted out.
Congratulations on being the first.
ancientgran · 16/04/2022 15:35

[quote ringlightisnotflattering]@mydogisthebest Milk has went up in price. It used to be 98p for 4 pints in Asda pre pandemic. It's now £1.25 for 4 pints.

When you are disabled and living on benefits that have risen 3% this year total, whilst inflation is nearing 10% and gas and electric is up a staggering 54%, the you'll notice these increases.

These increases cause misery for a lot of people. In previous years I've saved £2 a week (yes, a week), to have a couple days camping once a year. That is now gone for this year. Sad Sad.

But I guess I'm lucky, some people will starve or freeze. At least as a female I have the option of selling my body if things get that bad. Sad Sad.

The race to the bottom is really alive and well on here!!

It would be telling if some on here had to actually try to live on the UC the Tories have brought in and the cuts and freezes. £70 a week for EVERYTHING after rent (and even worse if in private rent). Every bill. Even less if you have debts. My gas and electric and council tax is 60% of that alone. I spend £10 a week on food. I cannot even get a bus to visit my family 15 miles away. EVER.[/quote]
We are going back to the 70s. I remember as a young mum in the 70s wanting to visit my mum and I didn't have the bus fare, if I could scrape the fare together I knew she'd give me the fare home. It is a miserable way to live.

I also remember constantly taking meter readings and working out what the bills would be and interest rates making the mortgage dearer and dearer.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Blossomtoes · 16/04/2022 15:42

Same era @ancientgran. I remember having enough money for a pint of milk or a loaf of bread but not both. Very luckily one of my friends was in the same boat so we pooled our money and split them in halves. I don’t want anyone to have to live like that but we seem to be going back 50 years.

TheLoupGarou · 16/04/2022 15:47

Did someone comment that £50 per week/£200 per month was a lot for a food shop? Have you been shopping lately?!?

Also, I and many other nurses work full-time (37.5 hours) over 3 days or nights per week - so 3 x 12.5 hours. Not to mention those of us at the top of band 5 will be over £900 worse off per year with the new NI rates. I'm lucky in that DH earns a lot more than me, we aren't struggling but things are tight. I have no idea how I would manage if I was on my own.

Dairymilk50 · 16/04/2022 15:49

Indeed £50 per week for 2 people isn't a lot really. People may need packed lunches. Fruit isn't cheap. It soon spends .. I thought that too

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