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Will my mum have to live with me?!

105 replies

frustrated354 · 12/04/2022 10:33

Every so often I get myself into a little panic about my mums housing situation. In case it matters I am 31 she is 55.

She is renting, rent alone currently cost more than half her take home salary so saving for a deposit is not possible.

But that's the problem, it isn't possible for her to save NOW. She had ample time and opportunity to do so over her life, but she did not. I certainly think she is foolish for not doing so.

She married young (my father), then divorced, not sure what the financial set up was there but they did not own a house. She then moved in with a man. Very very strange set up, not together but some sort of arrangement. Lived with him 14 years. Paid no rent, I am not sure what the set up for bills was. All the while she had a very well paid job so could have saved a fortune.

That arrangement finished, she moved in with my GPs. Lived with them for 12 years until they passed away and the house was sold (she had other siblings). She would claim she kept that house afloat, but she didn't. I saw my GPs pay their bills, she may have helped out. I did when I was earning.

I had a very very well paid job about 5 years ago now. House prices in our town were still very low compared to national average. I saved a deposit and offered it to her for buying a house. She was renting a shit hole house by now. On the same road as GPs house and built at the same time but in horrendous condition. Again, rent would have been approx 1/4 of her monthly salary at this point. She refused to even look at any of the houses I suggested as they not all on one floor. Now I will give her some leeway on that she says she was too emotionally connected to the road to leave. But it was 2/3 years after she moved out of GPs house. It was only pure chance she got rent on that street.

Anyway, I spent the deposit money, moved on with my life.

I just worry that before she is even an OAP she will be living with me. DH is not a fan of that idea! Also we trying to start a family. I live a few hours away from my hometown now though so it is likely I will be her last resort.

I look at house prices in her town constantly, but I do not have the deposit and due to her age she needs a large deposit for a short mortgage. My SIL who I moaned about this to a few times says to leave it to it, she is a grown woman and can sort herself out. But I’m not sure that is the case and frequently (usually in the middle of the night) worry/ panic about what will happen when she no longer works. V V V little social housing where she lives.

Am I BU to be frustrated she didn’t sort herself out when she really really could have. I do not harp on at her about it, she can’t change the past so there is no point. It just frustrates me no end! And I do love my mum I just want what is best for her. She has never really had to look after herself so I worry. I am an only child. Luckily she does have siblings in her home town who help out.

OP posts:
frustrated354 · 12/04/2022 11:12

No she hasn't asked for my help, true. I guess I just worry for her and her security.

Her attitude when I have brought it up is 'it will work out'.

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FiveShelties · 12/04/2022 11:13

If her pension does not cover her rent, won't she be able to get some sort of housing benefit?

Lubeyboobyalt · 12/04/2022 11:13

no she wont have to live with you - she'll get pension eventually and housing benefit if still renting and unaffordable on the pension

HollowTalk · 12/04/2022 11:19

I think there's a lot going on here. She didn't bring you up and you seem to have taken on a parental role. I can imagine a mother in her 50s worrying about her daughter in that way.

The very last thing she's going to do is buy somewhere to live. That's not been a priority for her because she's never been financially independent. If by chance she did buy somewhere, she wouldn't put money aside for repairs etc and that would be whole new problem.

I think it's essential that you don't ever suggest she moves in with you. It will ruin your marriage if your husband doesn't want it. I'm not convinced you want it, either, though I wonder whether there's a part of you from childhood that wants to live with your mum and for everything to be OK.

Have you considered having some counselling to talk about this? Invest some money in your own well being rather than focussing on your mum's. As another poster said, it's very likely she'll meet a new man and live with him anyway.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 12/04/2022 11:20

I suppose it is annoying because she had the opportunity to do these things, unlike so many of my friends now struggling to save deposits.

She had her opportunities - much more by way of opportunities than many have - and she chose to squander them. She is not your problem. She won't end up homeless but if she ends up in housing she doesn't like then that is tough, and not your problem. Live your own life and leave people who won't be helped to theirs.

bigbluebus · 12/04/2022 11:22

I have a friend with a decent job whose parents have made poor financial choices over the years meaning that they will possibly end up losing their house at some point. My friend has made it quite clear that she will give them all the advice/signposting that she can to help them through the situation but zero help financially. They are grown adults who consistently make poor decisions/choices in spite of knowing the consequences. They have to deal with it.
Your DM does not have to live with you - if she is made homeless then she'll have to present to the LA for emergency accommodation. Perhaps that will be the light bulb moment she's needs whilst she's still young enough to do something about it.

abigailsnan · 12/04/2022 11:23

@otherbookmarks

Where I live there's definitely apartment accommodation available from housing associations for over 55's - that might be an option in your area for her. She's definitely not your responsibility, and I mean this kindly when I say that if you continue to do things for her she'll never do them herself. Sometimes you have to let people fall, and that includes your mother.
Where I live there is also places for over 55s,bungalows and low rise apartments run by local HAs and called Supported Living you have your own front door it is not classed as a Care Home she should put her name down on the HAs list now,the areas are mostly occupied by people of a similar age so she would make friends with like minded neighbours,all her paperwork can be filled in by a support worker.
NorthSouthcatlady · 12/04/2022 11:25

No just no. She needs to take responsibility for herself for once. I can see why your DH isn’t thrilled by the idea of her moving in.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2022 11:28

My SIL ... says to leave it to it, she is a grown woman and can sort herself out

Your SIL is right, but what I don't understand is why you're framing her living with you as something you can do little about - almost as if it's inevitable, when it's nothing of the sort

As PPs have said you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped, so for the sake of your own family it might be an idea to think a little more of your DH's views here and less of your DM's

converseandjeans · 12/04/2022 11:28

55 isn't old to be working nowadays. I think you need to focus on getting yourself secure & let her deal with her choices.

She's been offered deposit money by you, had some inheritance from her parents house & still chooses to rent.

It doesn't sound like she prioritised you as a child, so maybe you need to stop worrying about it all.

ExplodingElephants · 12/04/2022 11:31

My mum has had to move in with us @frustrated354 and I’ll admit that I do feel infuriated with the situation as much as I love her. Until 10 years ago she owned a flat mortgage free with either band A or B council tax, so very cheap. She then decided she HAD to sell it and move somewhere more expensive even though she is single and self employed. I begged and begged her not to do it, warning her she would never be able to afford to buy again. Unsurprisingly she was broke in a couple of years having spent all the money from the flat. It was getting progressively worse and so we’ve invited her to live with us. We had kids young so we’d been looking forward to finally having the house to ourselves. The last kid goes and within about three months, my mum is with us. I just couldn’t bear to see her struggling along until she dies but at the same time I do feel resentful that she brought this on herself.

MummyInTheNecropolis · 12/04/2022 11:34

My mum was in a very similar situation, but a few years ago I found out about a housing association near me that provided homes at a reduced rate for single people over 50. My mum put her name down and was given a flat within a couple of months. It’s only one bed and not the most amazing place but it’s affordable and means she can stay near me in an expensive area. It’s worth looking to see if there is anything similar near you.

tkwal · 12/04/2022 11:35

Sorry to sound unsympathetic but reverse the situation. If she was criticising your life choices and worrying about possible future consequences you'd probably, rightly, tell her to mind her own business. Well she's an adult , has made her choices and works so can live however she wants. You could maybe look into her entitlement to housing benefit or uc to top up her income but she will have to apply for them herself

Andouillette · 12/04/2022 11:36

PPs have mentioned supported/sheltered housing. This is the obvious solution. For your own peace of mind please look into this as apart from anything else it will give you the feeling that there is a solution which doesn't involve her living with you. If you are able you could even consider buying a sheltered flat which you then sell once she has finished with it. My father did this for his mother and it worked out very well. Granny was happy and safe and he got the money back plus a little extra when she had to go in to a care home.

knittingaddict · 12/04/2022 11:36

I didn't need to read any of your post op.

If you don't want a parent to live with you then you don't have to. with good reason you sound reluctant to do it and everyone in your home would have to be 100% on board. She won't be homeless and there are always options. Some aren't great, but beggars can't be choosers. My parents rented from the council or housing associations their entire lives. There is nothing wrong with renting if buying a house is difficult.

I'm about your mum's age and I would be ashamed of myself if I couldn't sort out a roof over my head and make sensible life choices. She's hardly elderly.

frustrated354 · 12/04/2022 11:37

Just to clear up, I do not want her to live with us. I just fear it is inevitable. I don't know much about social housing to be honest, so maybe it's just that I don't know will the L.A. step up and sort her out.

With regards her owning a house. I know full well she would not have been able to do the up-keep on it. I intended to. I think some people are just bad at this sort of stuff.

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starfishmummy · 12/04/2022 11:39

DH gets annoyed because he said she won't do things because I just sort it out for her. But if I don't do it, it doesn't get done!

Maybe it doesn't get done because she doesn't want to do it.

Perhaps you and your husband and just need to back off and let her live the life she wants to live.

Kennykenkencat · 12/04/2022 11:40

[quote frustrated354]@Mydogisagentleman I mostly filled out the very very long application form. But there were small parts I couldn't so I gave it to her to do. I spotted it in her house last time I visited.

@AntiHop No not from a legal point. But I wouldn't see my mum homeless.

DH gets annoyed because he said she won't do things because I just sort it out for her. But if I don't do it, it doesn't get done![/quote]
I think this is a case of she probably isn’t doing anything because you will do it for her eventually.

It does sound like she has never been made to look after herself. There has always been someone to put a roof over her head and take the mental load.
At some point I agree with you that it can’t last forever. But as her sil says, she is a grown woman and she will sort it at some point.

LittleOwl153 · 12/04/2022 11:40

You would be forced to house her. You would be choosing to do so - by the sound of it against your husbands wishes. That is an idea I'd forget. Conce grateful your energies elsewhere.

She will be supported by benefits to top up her pension to be able to rent a small house/flat. It's quite likely she'll get a council property for over 55s if she wants it as they seem to have much more availability than standard housing.

So my advice is that 'it will work out' so stop worrying and live your life. If you have money to save for a house deposit either buy yourself or if you already have then save it for your future children. They might appreciate your concern!

Organictangerine · 12/04/2022 11:40

@Gizacluethen

Just don't let her move in with you. She made her choices she won't end up on the streets, she'll end up somewhere she doesn't really want to live but that's on her.
This.
knittingaddict · 12/04/2022 11:42

It's not inevitable. If you carry on thinking like that it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. If you don't want it, it will be a disaster and likely destroy your relationship with your husband and your mum.

dottydodah · 12/04/2022 11:42

She should get help /pension credits, and surely a full pension or private pension? No there is nowhere saying Adults have to live with their children! You sound like a very caring daughter to me. I would leave her to it .You have a family to think of now.Most young husbands would not be happy at Mil being there FT in their home.Maybe she missed her chance to buy when younger,but whatever youngsters say it was still difficult to buy a home then.Interest rates were running high,you would need a deposit and there is always something to do on a house ,as my Nan would say

KarmaStar · 12/04/2022 11:42

She's still young for you to be considering this?she could equally not want to live with you,I really don't understand why you are stressing over a situation that may be an issue in twenty years time.
Stop worrying.Enjoy your life.🌈

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/04/2022 11:43

I do not want her to live with us. I just fear it is inevitable

But it's only inevitable if you fail to say no - and concerning social housing and the LA they certianly won't "step up" if there's the slightest chance you'll sort it all for them instead

Zilla1 · 12/04/2022 11:43

HNRTT but if you are worrying then have you had an informal chat with her about her plans to help her have a non-confrontational reality check?