Rishi and his wife

[eerk]

AIBU to ask

1. What is wrong with him having a green card if this is not breaking any rules?

2. What is wrong with his wife only paying UK tax on UK income if this is within the rules?

I assume what they are doing is no different to what anyone else is likely to do in their situation.

Isn't it the rules the need to change rather than their actions?

@Clavinova

Rishi is actually really interested only in being in power, and not the hard graft that comes with being an MP.

Considering he was head boy at Winchester, obtained a first class degree from Oxford and a Fulbright scholarship to Stanford I rather suspect he is a hardworking type of person - but 10 years as an opposition MP maybe not.

I ask the question why does someone with a net worth of £200 million and a wife with a net worth double that choose to be a MP? I presume to represent the interests of fellow rich people. That’s his and any other rich MP’s prerogative but it’s a good reminder whose interests MPs like Sunak serve.

Interesting how Clav seems to have reappeared

I do sometimes wonder if we have Tory PR people in here planting the ‘they aren’t so bad’ posts— as I know it’s thought that mumsnet is influential. Reason being I know quite a few Tory’s, we run a business, and are late 50s/early 60s - so on paper would be their target market—virtually every Tory I know who still does ok absolutely isn’t sticking up for them, is disgusted at the corruption and incompetence and says they wouldn’t vote for them again - the only exception is a relative in his 80s who is comfortably off was a big admirer of Enoch Powell and only tears the Telegraph— on the other hand I do know a few recent ‘Tory’ converts who are not well off in redwall seats— that’s more mixed- there are those who to be frank have extremely illiberal views and some who aren’t at all impressed but have mainly been disgusted by partygate and indeed things like Rushis wife not paying her tax here. I honestly cannot quite get my head around intelligent women thinking this is all totally fine unless they are part of the Tory propaganda machine or rich enough to actually have skin in the game themselves and be benefitting from the lack of fiscal controls /backhanders/nice little contracts etc

Non-dom status only lasts 15 years

Glad to hear it crikey. Yes, the usual suspects always roll out on here 'leave him alone he's doing his best, what about Jeremy Corbyn, Kier's beer, not a party etc' but the May elections will show how things are going. Downhill fast.

@YetiTeri

To hold a green card you have to declare that the US is your permanent residence and that you'll pay all your taxes there.

The reason it matters is:

A. RS holds one of the most significant positions of power in the UK while declaring he does not actually live here.

B. RS is making tax laws that will put whole families into poverty but he and his wife are actively trying to avoid paying the same % share. Whilst families are at foodbanks the Sunaks are getting richer.

This then begs the question does RS have the best interests of the population at heart or is he distracted by focusing on what will be financially beneficial for him. He certainly isn't there for the MPs salary.

There's also the question of where his wife pays taxes, they tried to claim she was a non-dom because she's an Indian citizen. However non-dom is a choice that's outside of citizenship (as her U-turn shows) so where exactly is she paying tax and how will that influence the thinking of the Chancellor of the Exchequer?

It. All. Matters.

THANK YOU. I don’t know why this has to be explained a million times before people get it.

@Crikeyalmighty

I do sometimes wonder if we have Tory PR people in here planting the ‘they aren’t so bad’ posts— as I know it’s thought that mumsnet is influential. Reason being I know quite a few Tory’s, we run a business, and are late 50s/early 60s - so on paper would be their target market—virtually every Tory I know who still does ok absolutely isn’t sticking up for them, is disgusted at the corruption and incompetence and says they wouldn’t vote for them again - the only exception is a relative in his 80s who is comfortably off was a big admirer of Enoch Powell and only tears the Telegraph— on the other hand I do know a few recent ‘Tory’ converts who are not well off in redwall seats— that’s more mixed- there are those who to be frank have extremely illiberal views and some who aren’t at all impressed but have mainly been disgusted by partygate and indeed things like Rushis wife not paying her tax here. I honestly cannot quite get my head around intelligent women thinking this is all totally fine unless they are part of the Tory propaganda machine or rich enough to actually have skin in the game themselves and be benefitting from the lack of fiscal controls /backhanders/nice little contracts etc

If Clav and other defenders of the Nasty party are actually Nasty Party Pr then I think that someone should be asking for their money back.

@longwayoff

Glad to hear it crikey. Yes, the usual suspects always roll out on here 'leave him alone he's doing his best, what about Jeremy Corbyn, Kier's beer, not a party etc' but the May elections will show how things are going. Downhill fast.

The May elections may not, many of the seats up for election are not Tory anyway.

Sunak will be gone by late afternoon tomorrow? It’s not looking good.

There’s obviously so much more shit on him. It’s his time to complete, as it were.

Hes moved out of Downing Street. Agree he will be gone by Monday.

Where does it say he’s moved out of Downing Street? I haven’t seen anything on this yet, but know the news on this is moving pretty fast.

Sorry. His wife and children have moved out. That was just on sky news. and he has moved out his belongings. Read that a minute ago. Well he has moved fast.

Oh dear, no wonder the usual suspects have been either lukewarm or lacking tonight. Imagine bloody Rees Mogg as Chancellor? He "thicks mens blood with cold".

These people govern you and make the laws you live under. Laws you can be fined or have your liberty removed if you break. They don't pay into the system fairly and claim to not be using this country as their main residence so as to avoid facing their taxation responsibilities fairly.

If you can't see the issue with this then you're the issue. not the explanation.

Now there’s some issue with AM lending one of her own companies a few million which may have breached regulations.

@eerk

Can you explain the issues around the green card as I know nothing about them and why this may be seen as an immoral issue?

The issue with the GC is that they are for residency here. They did not surrender them when they stopped living here. That’s illegal here. They continued to use them to enter the US for their holidays. That’s against the law here. You can’t use a GC as a glorified tourist visa to come and go as you please. If you are a GC holder and no longer live here, you must surrender your GC.

Do other people do the same? Yes, of course. But it’s still wrong.

@Whingasaurus

The Rushi's have done nothing wrong here it's misogyny and racism and jealousy. -No wife has to take her husbands nationality. -She pays taxes in her home country on her businesses there why should the British get a cut of that? -Do we insist the French, Italian Swiss, etc take British Nationality? My Spanish friend has lived here for 30 years and hasn't.

Exactly this. Some sense amongst the green-eyed hysteria about this issue

I’m more pissed off with him than her. He oversees the rules. And it certainly looks like they’ve been bent here. How can she say she has no intention of being here permanently/long term. Her kids are at school here. Why did they have green cards? Apparently that helps with the non dom application. Is she really planning on living in the usa

I think it's about principal/morals! Politicians 'should' rule with morality! Firstly, if you don't want your public life scrutinised don't become an MP, secondly don't plunge many, many people into poverty when your billionaire wife is avoiding paying tax in the U.K., that she can more than afford! Whilst she was acting within the law, it's still not morally right, made worse by the fact she took £100k in covid relief funds for one of her businesses!

Regarding the green card, by having this Rishi was saying he spent the majority of his time in the US and not the U.K. (all whilst being an MP) I'm not sure of the tax implications, but from what I've read this is breaking the law in some respects!

I think this highlights how it's one rule for the (arsehole) MPs in power at the moment and another for us mere peasants! Also, please remember if you're EVER to try and get any form of benefit from the government you have to disclose your partners' finances too! Also, it's fucking stupid thing to do if your husband is the Chancellor and is very telling that she's now said she will not be non dom and pay all U.K. tax!

@wheniruletheworld

Please share the confirmation that AM pays her taxes in India. All of them.

@chimichangaz I sing from the same hymn sheet as you! Literally if this government gets voted out at the next election I will be singing and dancing in the street. If they stay in power for another four years, I will seriously consider my future of staying in this country! There is nothing Great about Britain with these corrupt buffoons in power, the voters that apologise for the inept MPs and the little Britain mentality we now have since leaving the EU!

@Wheniruletheworld and this is why we have the corrupt, morally inept government in power. Too many people just don't care enough to demand better from those in power!

[quote YetiTeri]@wheniruletheworld

Please share the confirmation that AM pays her taxes in India. All of them.[/quote]
I think we’ll be waiting a long time!

Between them AM and RS have links to Mauritius and the Caymen Islands, both tax havens.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/09/five-key-questions-rishi-sunak-and-akshata-murty-have-yet-to-answer

This story continues to grow, not diminish.

@Timeforausernamechange22

For me it’s about integrity. I’m tired of career politicians who only seem to go into parliament because they want the power and the fame, and not because they actually want to make the UK a better place to live. How can you truely be invested into this country whilst also declaring that you intent to live elsewhere. Imagine how many nurses, teachers, police officers you could put for with with tax that has been avoided? Can you really honestly say they care more about the public and improving this country then they do themselves? Government ministers are public service careers. They serve the public, that is what they sign up to, that is their job - to serve us and to do what is best for us. How is avoiding the tax helping us? Truely? Yes it is legal and within the rules, but it lacks integrity and I for one could not sleep at night knowing I’m pushing thousands of people into poverty by raising their taxes whilst enjoying the perks of my wife’s non-dom status. Because even if it is her money, they are married and he will hugely benefit from it too. Isn’t that what mumsnet always says - when you are married it is not his money or her money, it is shared money

Completely 100% agree

Rishi Sunak’s register of interests is very sparse considering what we know know about his family wealth.

He’s been taking the piss for years.