To think in the UK, in 2022...

[justonanote]

The lowest incomes should be able to -

Have food in at all times and be able to do a shop without fear they haven't got enough

Adequately heat their homes and have as much hot water as they need

Have a enough left over for a few little treats. An ice cream, a coffee out once a week, enough to enjoy a cheap trip out every now and then?

The lowest of incomes.

I despair, I honestly do.

@BambinaJAS

The UK has 5 of the 10 most deprived areas in Europe.

It is very, very far from being a developed country.

There is too much "belief in British exceptionalism" and not enough "this is the reality so lets improvw it"

Nothing will change in the UK until you get rid of that fantasy of British exceptionalism

That's odd considering 40 years of EU membership was supposed to help those deprived areas with their regional assistance.

I do agree about British Exceptionalism, although probably not in the way you imagine.

We need a major overhaul of the voting system and our constitution so that we are more inline with modern democracies elsewhere (New Zealand would be a decent model for one).

@Lovemyheathershimmer

Do you think it's wrong that I get £2.5k a month in benefits then? A lot of that isn't means tested

All I can say is I must be doing something wrong if your getting 2.5 grand a month on benefits

really? Without knowing any further details, you can say that?

@Neverendingdust

I tend to agree and think that in 2022 Great Britain, glorious exceptional world super power, a G7 chief willy swinger (ahem) which has long standing regal, noble ambitions of stupendous magnitude upon the elite global stage on which it proclaims civility, power, togetherness and progress would be able to guarantee its population food, warmth and a sense of belonging.

Yet scratch beneath the gilded surface and it quickly becomes apparent that this is absolutely not the case.

Instead we’re a small naf island with lofty ambitions and an ego not too dissimilar to those of a Coke’d up 5’1” Moncler wearing body builder squaring up to the 6’4” bouncer on a Wednesday afternoon outside a Wetherspoons.

Pathetic doesn’t even come close.

I love it

[quote joydivisionovengloves71]@ILoveAllRainbowsx if there is a £3000 salary coming in each month and the average rent is £1000 a month where is the rest going? [/quote]
We aren't all couples.. I'm single, and if I don't earn any commission or lose it for whatever reason then I'm on min wage. Work 40hrs a week. Can't take on a second job due to chronic health issues

There needs to be a benefit cap, no-one should earn more on benefits than someone does for working full time. Property prices are kept artificially high by the benefits system. If people could only rent or buy according to what they earnt, prices would fall dramatically.

18:05daimbarsatemydogsbone

The EU was sending EU structural funds to those areas to get them to improve. £Billions over the years.

Many of those same areas voted leave.

You just can't make this up.

And now those same areas (Wales, Cornwall, and in NE/NW) are going to be made materially poorer.

I am done with sympathy. They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.

It is very, very far from being a developed country.

Oh don’t be silly. The countries which are very, very far from being developed experience poverty that even the least well off here will ever see.

We have problems we shouldn’t have but let’s not over do the hyperbole.

I am done with sympathy. They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.
I agree.
Those same people voted to risk the peace in NI, they knew that would be a consequence of Brexit and they didn't give a shit.
Well they can sit in their cold houses with empty cupboards and enjoy their win.

They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.

What a horrific comment. People were sold a lie, promised things would be better for them, by a very sophisticated campaign funded by people with a different agenda. Let’s not blame them for falling for something that most others would given the right circumstances.

There needs to be a benefit cap, no-one should earn more on benefits than someone does for working full time.

There is a benefits cap.

The answer is to raise wages, not lower benefits.

@BoredZelda

They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.

What a horrific comment. People were sold a lie, promised things would be better for them, by a very sophisticated campaign funded by people with a different agenda. Let’s not blame them for falling for something that most others would given the right circumstances.

That may have excused their vote in 2016

But it did not in 2019

They voted for Boris. Period.

I am done with sympathy. They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.

Ok, well, can you at least stay out of the way when people do try to do something about it anyway? Not all of us believe in collective punishment as right and fair in a democracy (or anywhere else, for that matter).

@DrSbaitso

I am done with sympathy. They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.

Ok, well, can you at least stay out of the way when people do try to do something about it anyway? Not all of us believe in collective punishment as right and fair in a democracy (or anywhere else, for that matter).

You fail to understand Tory ideology and the economic shockwave that is about to hit them.

There will be minimal help coming their way.

Its very important to point out:

They voted for this party.

They don't get to slink back and claim ignorance.

What a horrific comment. People were sold a lie, promised things would be better for them, by a very sophisticated campaign funded by people with a different agenda. Let’s not blame them for falling for something that most others would given the right circumstances.
Brexit could have been stopped if Leave voters had changed their minds, they didn't. They knew what Brexit would do to NI, maybe not in 2016 but certainly afterwards. We all watched the killing of Lyra Mckee and the birth of the new IRA, they then went on to vote to 'get Brexit done' these people get zero sympathy from me if they're now whingeing about the poverty they've created for themselves and others.

It should be that in one family only one parent needs to work to earn enough money so a fortune is not needed on childcare. It's a shame both parents are having to work to earn enough money.

What gets me though are people who say they have no money for food but shove on expensive trips on Facebook.

@BambinaJAS

18:05daimbarsatemydogsbone

The EU was sending EU structural funds to those areas to get them to improve. £Billions over the years.

Many of those same areas voted leave.

You just can't make this up.

And now those same areas (Wales, Cornwall, and in NE/NW) are going to be made materially poorer.

I am done with sympathy. They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.

How a decent human being can wish this on anyone is beyond comprehension.

You are obviously without any empathy at all.

Shame on you making such a crass and evil comment.

You fail to understand Tory ideology and the economic shockwave that is about to hit them.

I understand both those things. That's why I'm asking you, since you think they deserve it and by your own admission don't care about them, to just stay out of the way when people make attempts to try to alleviate it. If you consider yourself a good voter, a moral citizen, the one in the right - and it's clear that you do - you won't want a world where that kind of thing happens to people and nobody tries to help, even if they did vote Conservative.

Additionally, regarding this:

They don't get to slink back and claim ignorance.

You think I don't understand the ideology they voted for, so what makes you think they did? Do you think anyone would vote for it if they actually understood what it meant for them? Most people who vote Tory aren't the rich ruling classes, there aren't enough of those to secure electoral victory.

@HoneyFlowers

It should be that in one family only one parent needs to work to earn enough money so a fortune is not needed on childcare. It's a shame both parents are having to work to earn enough money.

What gets me though are people who say they have no money for food but shove on expensive trips on Facebook.

Do you have many of those people in your Facebook feed?

@DrSbaitso

You fail to understand Tory ideology and the economic shockwave that is about to hit them.

I understand both those things. That's why I'm asking you, since you think they deserve it and by your own admission don't care about them, to just stay out of the way when people make attempts to try to alleviate it. If you consider yourself a good voter, a moral citizen, the one in the right - and it's clear that you do - you won't want a world where that kind of thing happens to people and nobody tries to help, even if they did vote Conservative.

Additionally, regarding this:

They don't get to slink back and claim ignorance.

You think I don't understand the ideology they voted for, so what makes you think they did? Do you think anyone would vote for it if they actually understood what it meant for them? Most people who vote Tory aren't the rich ruling classes, there aren't enough of those to secure electoral victory.

There is one thing I have learned over the years.

People will not admit they made a mistake until they hit rock bottom.

And even then, its still fuzzy.

That is where we are now: maybe those people who voted for Brexit and then the Tories will realise their lives got even worse (not better as they were told) and they will give more serious thought about who they vote for next time.

There is nothing I can say or do that will change their minds about the mistakes of their previous vote. Only the harsh reality of their new normal will.

There is nothing I can say or do that will change their minds about the mistakes of their previous vote. Only the harsh reality of their new normal will.

Only if they believe it to be the result of their voting choices and that they would have been better off had they voted otherwise. In the absence of a strong and electable opposition, this won't happen. I know some people don't want this brought up, but it's really not irrelevant that Labour en masse did not, until very recently, appear to know what a woman is (and I'm still not convinced they do). Would you allow someone who doesn't know this to be responsible for as much as a bric-a-brac stall?

The landslide election wasn't because everyone loved Johnson and the Tories so much. It was because they couldn't stand Corbyn and wanted to send a message. Mass protest voting, plenty of tactical voting and people voting Labour only while "holding their noses".

@liliainterfrutices

I think it’s utter bollocks that current Labour leaders would have done worse. On what evidence? I don’t think for a moment that they’d have funnelled £37 billion to their mates, pretending it was for PPE.

Exactly. It's an actual joke and cop out to say Labour would have been worse. HOW???!!!!

The billions lost in corrupt contracts to their mates, billions written off in covid grant fraud, Dido Harding test and trace fiasco, etc etc etc. Knighthood for fucking FAILURES like Gavin Williamson. London becoming a laundromat for FILTHY Russian money because they take donations. Rishi Sunak telling us to take in Ukranians and boycott Russian companies while his wife has a half a billion pound stake in a company that operates out of Russia and she just received a multimillion pound dividend from it. FFS

People just say lABOuR wOuLd bE WoRsE to justify voting for these charlatans

They just don't want those below them to be able to live. They're happy that they are worrying every second of the day how they're going to survive. Never mind that they are made poorer by these bastards too. As long as you can punch down and those below you are miserable.

Stockholm syndrome writ large

@Florenz

There needs to be a benefit cap, no-one should earn more on benefits than someone does for working full time. Property prices are kept artificially high by the benefits system. If people could only rent or buy according to what they earnt, prices would fall dramatically.

You think people on benefits are buying houses 😂😂😂

@BambinaJAS

18:05daimbarsatemydogsbone

The EU was sending EU structural funds to those areas to get them to improve. £Billions over the years.

Many of those same areas voted leave.

You just can't make this up.

And now those same areas (Wales, Cornwall, and in NE/NW) are going to be made materially poorer.

I am done with sympathy. They deserve every inch of poverty coming their way.

Same

Just sitting back and watching the shit show unfold now

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@woodhill

Scotland did have free university- no student loans?

Social care is much better in Scotland too.