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Mothers' Day in Tears

95 replies

Goldduck · 27/03/2022 17:41

My DH knows that I'm sentimental and really value days like this. I'd say we generally share childcare equally if our DS who is 3 but I do manage the mental load and most of the house admin, cleaning and cooking etc I'm part time and happy to do this as long as its appreciated. My DH got up today and and I had lie in. I had a shower at half 8 and DH still hadn't given DS any breakfast. I asked yesterday if he'd made bacon sandwiches for us all, he didn't. I then had to prompt him to book our day out that I had to think of as always. The house was a mess when I went downstairs and he clearly just been lounging on the couch all morning. I want bothered about presents but he knows how much cards mean to me. I'm so upset that instead of making me a card with our DS this morning and breakfast he just lay on the couch thinking of himself. He said he doesn't care about Mothers' Day when I explained to him why I was upset. I can't stop crying. AIBU?

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Gazorpazorp · 27/03/2022 19:00

I get that you’re upset about the card but I’m much more horrified that he hadn’t got his son any bloody breakfast. Presumably DS was hungry, so what kind of dad doesn’t feed his child?!

CPL593H · 27/03/2022 19:03

@1forAll74

There are far too many people on here, who get in a state. and are crying about not getting what they want on Mothers day. It may create a bad atmosphere in the house, if you don't cheer up a bit.!
Doubtless some people will be upset because they have unrealistic expectations and want the moon and stars on a silver plate as an acknowledgement of their mothering. I get the feeling OP would have been happy with a bunch of daffs and a homemade card and/or a bacon sandwich.

Your take on it is a bit odd.

YingMei · 27/03/2022 19:03

So many pathetic husbands/partners out there. How hard is it to pick up a card and get a kid to sign it? We're not even a particularly sentimental family, I do not expect a song and a dance on mothers day or any other. But DH managed to get a card for the kids and some fancy hot chocolate. It would have been about 5 minutes of his life.

ManAlive24 · 27/03/2022 19:04

This in spades. After 3 ignored mother's days, I stopped doing anything for fathers day in year 3. Next mother's day I was showered in gifts. They really don't get it until you show them what it's like from the other side.

Tillsforthrills · 27/03/2022 19:07

OP if you needed to cry that’s fine, ignore people telling you it’s unreasonable to if you’re upset.

Wannago · 27/03/2022 19:09

Maybe instead you should buy your DH the book reviewed here for Fathers Day:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-the-husband-whisperer-improve-my-marriage-s75jqd5mt

If you can't get past the paywall - here is the first paragraph of the piece:

"Matthew Fray’s burgeoning status as a relationship guru, a so-called “husband whisperer”, is accidental. He got divorced nine years ago after a nine-year marriage. The break-up traumatised him. Having been a journalist, his response was to write about his feelings in a blog, rejoicing in the ambiguous title She Divorced Me Because I Left Dishes by the Sink. “Initially as a trickle,” he explains from his home just outside Cleveland, Ohio, “and to begin with as catharsis, it touched a nerve and became wildly popular.” Four million-plus views led to a profile in The New York Times. “It was my first taste of people treating me like a thought leader in the relationship space. Which was very uncomfortable, because I didn’t feel like one. I still don’t really, but I’m easing my way there.”

And here is what seems to be the nub of it:

"Here we approach the heart of Fray’s argument. “Our tendency to invalidate our partners when we disagree with them is what starts this slow paper-cut bleed-out of trust in our marriages. ‘I feel invalidated’ was a common refrain of my wife [at this point I form a vivid mental image of my own wife saying precisely the same] and I resented it and thought invalidated was a bullshit namby-pamby word [cut to me nodding enthusiastically]. But I get it so much now.” (Back to me looking anxious and betrayed.)

Fray goes on to elaborate what he calls his invalidation triple threat. “Your partner says, ‘Something bad happened; I feel bad about it.’ In version one, you disagree with what she says happened. In version two, you agree with her intellectual experience but disagree with her emotional experience: why are you making such a big deal out of it? Version three, you accept the facts and her feelings but defend your behaviour: if our wives only knew what we felt, they wouldn’t be mad at us any more.

“These three response patterns,” Fray argues, “invalidate our marriages. Every time my wife came to me [with a problem], if I didn’t agree with what she thought or felt, I chose me over her. Every. Single. Time. She never got to win. She never got to be heard. She never got to feel cared for. She felt abandoned. She felt unloved. She only felt loved when I agreed.”
...

Hariboqueen1 · 27/03/2022 19:13

I dont care about mothers day. Valentines day, mothers day, fathers days to me they are all made up nonsense. I dont know why I feel like that as my mum said we used to celebrate it when i was younger. I have the most amazing mother and the greatest husband who adores me and I him and I still dont bother with either of them on these days. Im a mother too and I just dont give a crap. I appreciate all of them so much but just because I dont bother with them on these days does not mean I appreciate or love them less than people who do. Im writing this because it honestly does not mean he doesnt appreciate you or loves you less than husbands that do celebrate it. If I do get my mum a card and present it just feels so fake like society says we have to give a card and present. It just feels like some fake facade.

Nocutenamesleft · 27/03/2022 19:20

You’re backtracking slightly

Everything in life is a choice. It’s either a deal breaker or it isn’t. It’s either something that upsets you or isn
Don’t apologise for being upset about it. Don’t apologise for having a go at him about it. Don’t apologise that this makes you feel like shit!

Be almost proud this upsets you. It’s not about presents and it’s not really about a card. It’s about empathy and about being loved and cared for. Everyone needs people in their life to make them feel special.

BlueOverYellow · 27/03/2022 19:25

@Goldduck

I will do though because my DS's little face lights up when he has gifts and cards for the people he loves. I don't want to be in a marriage where we don't celebrate one another. I just don't understand how anyone could be so selfish and not feel any really guilt.
Make them for a grandparent instead, then. Do not reward your DH fo rhis shitty treatment of you.
Gilly12345 · 27/03/2022 19:29

Your DH has just proven what a sorry excuse of a man he is.

I would’ve have any more children with him as I think you deserve better.

I hope your home life improves and your DH becomes more thoughtful and considerate.

Don’t make any effort for him in June when it’s Fathers Day.

Goldduck · 27/03/2022 19:35

@Wannago

Maybe instead you should buy your DH the book reviewed here for Fathers Day: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-the-husband-whisperer-improve-my-marriage-s75jqd5mt

If you can't get past the paywall - here is the first paragraph of the piece:

"Matthew Fray’s burgeoning status as a relationship guru, a so-called “husband whisperer”, is accidental. He got divorced nine years ago after a nine-year marriage. The break-up traumatised him. Having been a journalist, his response was to write about his feelings in a blog, rejoicing in the ambiguous title She Divorced Me Because I Left Dishes by the Sink. “Initially as a trickle,” he explains from his home just outside Cleveland, Ohio, “and to begin with as catharsis, it touched a nerve and became wildly popular.” Four million-plus views led to a profile in The New York Times. “It was my first taste of people treating me like a thought leader in the relationship space. Which was very uncomfortable, because I didn’t feel like one. I still don’t really, but I’m easing my way there.”

And here is what seems to be the nub of it:

"Here we approach the heart of Fray’s argument. “Our tendency to invalidate our partners when we disagree with them is what starts this slow paper-cut bleed-out of trust in our marriages. ‘I feel invalidated’ was a common refrain of my wife [at this point I form a vivid mental image of my own wife saying precisely the same] and I resented it and thought invalidated was a bullshit namby-pamby word [cut to me nodding enthusiastically]. But I get it so much now.” (Back to me looking anxious and betrayed.)

Fray goes on to elaborate what he calls his invalidation triple threat. “Your partner says, ‘Something bad happened; I feel bad about it.’ In version one, you disagree with what she says happened. In version two, you agree with her intellectual experience but disagree with her emotional experience: why are you making such a big deal out of it? Version three, you accept the facts and her feelings but defend your behaviour: if our wives only knew what we felt, they wouldn’t be mad at us any more.

“These three response patterns,” Fray argues, “invalidate our marriages. Every time my wife came to me [with a problem], if I didn’t agree with what she thought or felt, I chose me over her. Every. Single. Time. She never got to win. She never got to be heard. She never got to feel cared for. She felt abandoned. She felt unloved. She only felt loved when I agreed.”
...

This sounds spot on. It does seem to be 'little' things but they build up and create a rather ugly picture. I really didn't want 'the moon and stars on a silver platter'.I wanted the house to not look like we'd been robbed, a card and a bacon sandwich from the bacon, bread and butter I had obviously bought for the occasion. He is generally really kind and supportive and does make a fuss on other occasions or if I'm having a bad day etc. I think his tiredness today superceded my Mother's Day and I will stand by it to my dying day that it was not on and he was wrong. If he'd properly apologised when he saw I was upset she promised to make it up I would have forgiven him but he didn't. Its not just about what he didn't do, it's also about his reaction to be calling him out on it.
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Goldduck · 27/03/2022 19:38

@Nocutenamesleft

You’re backtracking slightly

Everything in life is a choice. It’s either a deal breaker or it isn’t. It’s either something that upsets you or isn
Don’t apologise for being upset about it. Don’t apologise for having a go at him about it. Don’t apologise that this makes you feel like shit!

Be almost proud this upsets you. It’s not about presents and it’s not really about a card. It’s about empathy and about being loved and cared for. Everyone needs people in their life to make them feel special.

I'm not backing down until I receive a heartfelt apology that also properly explains his behaviour today. Although, he won't be able to logically explain it as there was no reason for it other than being selfish and lazy.
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bucksfizzrock · 27/03/2022 19:39

So sorry op, that's very shitty of him, you deserve better and to be treated today. Please try to do something nice for yourself this evening even if it's just putting your feet up with some chocolate

Goldduck · 27/03/2022 19:42

@Gazorpazorp

I get that you’re upset about the card but I’m much more horrified that he hadn’t got his son any bloody breakfast. Presumably DS was hungry, so what kind of dad doesn’t feed his child?!
He was too busy being asleep on the couch. He always really hungry first thing in the morning too. I told him to go and feed him straight away and then he shamefully rushed into the kitchen to start making him beans on toast. He knows that his behaviour wasn't on but then why does he do it?
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Goldduck · 27/03/2022 19:45

@Tillsforthrills

OP if you needed to cry that’s fine, ignore people telling you it’s unreasonable to if you’re upset.
Thank you, it's really not like me to just burst out crying. Especially in front of my son, I had to pretend I'd just been a bit clumsy and hurt myself. It did seem to shock and upset my husband who then kept saying how much they both loved me. But does he care more for me than himself? Not feeling like he does at the moment.
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MissRalux · 27/03/2022 19:48

I don't agree with people that say Oh, it's just a day, don't worry about it! No, it isn't just another day, it's a special occasion and it's always nice to feel appreciated for all the work mothers actually do throughout the years as , let's be honest, most of house chores and the daily humdrum is done by women. From kids packed lunches, uniform ready, husbands socks, meals , shopping, etc would have been nice to be appreciated even in a smallest of ways like a cup of coffee in bed and a foot rub. Not asking for much really. I just feel taken for granted, that's all. Especially seen all the beautiful pictures my friends post on social media about their special day and how much they are dotted on by their husbands/ partners. Sending lots of hugs to all mothers out there!

Goldduck · 27/03/2022 19:50

@Hariboqueen1

I dont care about mothers day. Valentines day, mothers day, fathers days to me they are all made up nonsense. I dont know why I feel like that as my mum said we used to celebrate it when i was younger. I have the most amazing mother and the greatest husband who adores me and I him and I still dont bother with either of them on these days. Im a mother too and I just dont give a crap. I appreciate all of them so much but just because I dont bother with them on these days does not mean I appreciate or love them less than people who do. Im writing this because it honestly does not mean he doesnt appreciate you or loves you less than husbands that do celebrate it. If I do get my mum a card and present it just feels so fake like society says we have to give a card and present. It just feels like some fake facade.
I think that he does feel the same as you and I completely get the consumerist angle of it all and some seeing it as all a bit OTT. However, I didn't have the best childhood and I really love and cherish the normality of family life and all of the cheesy little occasions that come with it. They are special to me because its the first time I've had them in a happy home, he knows this. Obviously the home isn't that happy right now as a result of today.
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Ohchristmastreeohchristmastree · 27/03/2022 19:50

My husband did this once when my kids were very young. No acknowledgment at all, no card, nothing. I rarely cry and this made me cry.
He’s made an effort every year since, even though my kids are older and I’m not that bothered anymore.

JinglingHellsBells · 27/03/2022 19:52

Maybe you can get more of what you want when your child is old enough to understand what it's all about?

I think this day has become so far removed from the traditional 'child working away, in service etc, goes home to see mother on a Sunday.'

It's a chance for kids to thank their mums and show their appreciation, when they are old enough to understand.

If your child would understand any of what it's all about, fair enough for your H to buy something from them for you, but otherwise isn't it just dad buying for their wife/ partner?

Suzi888 · 27/03/2022 19:55

@Goldduck

I will do though because my DS's little face lights up when he has gifts and cards for the people he loves. I don't want to be in a marriage where we don't celebrate one another. I just don't understand how anyone could be so selfish and not feel any really guilt.
Flowers I’m sorry.

It’s easy to say don’t make an effort for Father’s Day but if your children look forward to it then it’s hard.
You either accept he’s selfish (lots of men are) or you call time on it. Just don’t dwell on it xx

Goldduck · 27/03/2022 19:59

Yeah, he does and I don't want to turn our marriage into a game where we do and don't do things to make points. I just like to speak plainly and talk through things and discuss how we can do things differently in the future. However, my DH isn't really like this. Right now, he's probably asleep on the chair in my DS room after putting him to bed. This is making me quite mad now because I won't sleep well at all tonight as I'm so upset.

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 27/03/2022 20:14

Had some shit mother’s days when I was with exh. Nothing, not even a lie in, which was always the main thing I wanted.

These days, whether we have a nice day or not is up to me, so it’s always nice.

Funnily enough, now exh does bring round presents with the kids (apparently he bought one of the things they got). But I don’t care what he does now so a present from him leaves me completely cold! Dd (13) had bought a present with her own money and Ds (8) had made a card, so those are the things I really appreciate! But then I wouldn’t be sad if they didn’t get me anything as they’re children and I know they love me.

We (kids and i) had a nice lunch out which I booked and paid for at a place of my choosing, and they weren’t here til 12.30 so I got the lie in. That makes me happy!

TheNameOfTheRoses · 27/03/2022 20:16

I think that he does feel the same as you and I completely get the consumerist angle of it all and some seeing it as all a bit OTT. However, I didn't have the best childhood and I really love and cherish the normality of family life and all of the cheesy little occasions that come with it. They are special to me because its the first time I've had them in a happy home, he knows this.

I think when you love someone you ca see that something that isn’t important for you is important for them so you make an effort to do that thing just because it’s important for them. Or maybe it should be BECAUSE it’s important for them rather than because it’s important for you. Just like you buy a gift because they will like it not because YOU like it iyswim.

I’m sorry @Goldduck the not believing in Mother’s Day etc.. is a poor excuse.
He basically thought his pov, his ideas and his feelings trumped yours.

MissRalux · 27/03/2022 20:16

Wannago

Maybe instead you should buy your DH the book reviewed here for Fathers Day:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/can-the-husband-whisperer-improve-my-marriage-s75jqd5mt

If you can't get past the paywall - here is the first paragraph of the piece:

"Matthew Fray’s burgeoning status as a relationship guru, a so-called “husband whisperer”, is accidental. He got divorced nine years ago after a nine-year marriage. The break-up traumatised him. Having been a journalist, his response was to write about his feelings in a blog, rejoicing in the ambiguous title She Divorced Me Because I Left Dishes by the Sink. “Initially as a trickle,” he explains from his home just outside Cleveland, Ohio, “and to begin with as catharsis, it touched a nerve and became wildly popular.” Four million-plus views led to a profile in The New York Times. “It was my first taste of people treating me like a thought leader in the relationship space. Which was very uncomfortable, because I didn’t feel like one. I still don’t really, but I’m easing my way there.”

And here is what seems to be the nub of it:

"Here we approach the heart of Fray’s argument. “Our tendency to invalidate our partners when we disagree with them is what starts this slow paper-cut bleed-out of trust in our marriages. ‘I feel invalidated’ was a common refrain of my wife [at this point I form a vivid mental image of my own wife saying precisely the same] and I resented it and thought invalidated was a bullshit namby-pamby word [cut to me nodding enthusiastically]. But I get it so much now.” (Back to me looking anxious and betrayed.)

Fray goes on to elaborate what he calls his invalidation triple threat. “Your partner says, ‘Something bad happened; I feel bad about it.’ In version one, you disagree with what she says happened. In version two, you agree with her intellectual experience but disagree with her emotional experience: why are you making such a big deal out of it? Version three, you accept the facts and her feelings but defend your behaviour: if our wives only knew what we felt, they wouldn’t be mad at us any more.

“These three response patterns,” Fray argues, “invalidate our marriages. Every time my wife came to me [with a problem], if I didn’t agree with what she thought or felt, I chose me over her. Every. Single. Time. She never got to win. She never got to be heard. She never got to feel cared for. She felt abandoned. She felt unloved. She only felt loved when I agreed.”

This is brilliant , thank you for posting it! The love is in the details, it's not one big gesture. It's always the details that make the difference in any relationship. If the little things kept being ignored, than it's going to keep chipping and chipping until one day you wake up and wonder what's the point anymore . Making an effort especially on days like today is what's keeping it alive. Its called Mothers day for a reason, Father's day for a reason, Christmas for a reason.

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AbsoluteTruths · 27/03/2022 20:17

My Dh was a bit rubbish at Mothers Day when ds was little, mainly because of how things were accepted in his own home growing up. I threw a mild fit (is such a thing possible) and laid it out clearly that I worked my ass off all year doing the lions share of childcare and wanted a fuss one day a year and that I wanted him to demonstarate that to our son. It worked.