To say that job titles shouldn't include the word 'architect' unless they are actually an architect?

[itssunnyyay]

Hi all, so my partner is an architect, It takes years to become an architect and you have to be registered on the RIBA (royal institute of British architects) to call yourself an architect.

I have noticed an increasing number of jobs using the job title 'architect' that has nothing to do with architecture.. for example, "solution Architect" which is 'responsible for evaluating an organisations business needs and determining how IT can support those needs leveraging software" so .. not an architect.

Other job titles are "software architect", "senior enterprise solution architect manufacturing", "web solutions architect", "HR solutions architect", "finance and accounting digital architect", "analytics implementation architect", "deputy food architect", "platform architect" ... the list goes on

Isn't Architect a protected title? IMO job titles should actually mean something, and all of the above mean absolutely nothing?

It isn’t my job. On any level.

However building tech systems is extremely complex. It’s straight maths and takes a lot of skill. And you do need an architect to plan its execution, if you want it to do what it’s supposed to do.

@Nnique

It’s not defensiveness - I’ve no personal skin in this game whatsoever.

I just find stupidity and ignorance extremely tedious and taxing.

It is defensiveness

@Nnique

It isn’t my job. On any level.

However building tech systems is extremely complex. It’s straight maths and takes a lot of skill. And you do need an architect to plan its execution, if you want it to do what it’s supposed to do.

Why do you care so much then?

Nursery nurse, vetinary nurse, dental nurse all send Registered nurses into a flat spin as most think only nurses should call themselves a nurse. The title Registered nurse is protected, therefore those who aren't should pass themselves off as such.

@Nnique My friend that is a solutions architect is very smart and talented. I'm sure his colleagues are as well. I think you're jumping to all the wrong conclusions.

I think lots of people would agree that the IT sector hasn't always had a rep for being sexy or interesting to people outside of the sector though. I'm just saying that I think the word was adopted because it sounded cool as well as describing the role.

@Wheniruletheworld

Nursery nurse, vetinary nurse, dental nurse all send Registered nurses into a flat spin as most think only nurses should call themselves a nurse. The title Registered nurse is protected, therefore those who aren't should pass themselves off as such.

Nurse isn't a protected title though, only registered nurse is protected.

There. Hope that helps, Yes, YABU

Hi. I'm a software architect. I'm not doing something that used to be called "design" until we wanted something that sounded cooler; I'm doing something that's different from design. I figure out the shape of the whole system - what pieces it will consist of and how they'll interact to make the whole thing add up - and pass my work over to software engineers, who'll then do the design work of figuring out exactly how each of those pieces will work in order to achieve what the system requires of them.

I’ve already said why I care...it’s ignorance and people thinking they’re clever whilst being incredibly ignorant really gets on my tits. It’s so unnecessary.

It really isn’t comparable to any of the silly nonsense terms people have used as examples here.

However as you said, I really don’t care all that much, it’s a sunny day and luckily I’m going out to enjoy it!

We have the same issue.

A title cannot have the description "Actuary" if they are not fully qualified..

This seems to be the case with other professions.

I included the detail about him being an architect for context purposes and yes I had a little look on google at architecture jobs because he was talking about looking for a new job, is that okay? Or does that for some reason mean that I think my DP is God himself? Lmao. I am a dietitian

You are googling jobs for your partner?

@ThePants999

Hi. I'm a software architect. I'm not doing something that used to be called "design" until we wanted something that sounded cooler; I'm doing something that's different from design. I figure out the shape of the whole system - what pieces it will consist of and how they'll interact to make the whole thing add up - and pass my work over to software engineers, who'll then do the design work of figuring out exactly how each of those pieces will work in order to achieve what the system requires of them.

Maybe the OP should stick with being a 'Dietician' and stay away from job searches she understand nothing about .

@Nnique

I’ve already said why I care...it’s ignorance and people thinking they’re clever whilst being incredibly ignorant really gets on my tits. It’s so unnecessary.

It really isn’t comparable to any of the silly nonsense terms people have used as examples here.

However as you said, I really don’t care all that much, it’s a sunny day and luckily I’m going out to enjoy it!

Sounds like it

It's like getting upset someone with a PhD uses the title doctor.

The upset should be the other way around I think. PhD's are actual doctors (as denoted by the D in their title) and the medical title "doctor" came into use an an honorary title to indicate the medic was learned and useful despite not having a PhD.

Why do you care so much then?

The utter straight up irony of that question has absolutely made my day! OP!

@MakeABaer why did you put dietitian in inverted commas? And I'll look at whatever job ads I like thanks

@BitOutOfPractice

Why do you care so much then?

The utter straight up irony of that question has absolutely made my day! OP!

Just because I am curious about it doesn't mean I care as much as the person who has become incredibly defensive about my post haha. Also the fact that someone lower down the thread said that in the past RIBA complained about the use of the term architect in certain job titles shows that what I have said isn't completely ridiculous!

This thread is so Hyacinth Bucket.

@MakeABaer

This thread is so Hyacinth Bucket.

Snobby and social climbing? How? I have never said that IT jobs aren't good jobs, to be frank, solutions architects probably earn far more than architects! Architects are not paid well, so not sure how that makes me a snobby social climber lol

Are you sure OP? ha ha!

Obviously the use of the word architect is meant to mean designer

Not in large scale IT projects they 'obviously' don't mean that. Architect and designer can be very different roles. Only in very, very small situations would one person do both and even then, it would be perfectly clear when they were doing which.

Amazed that you cannot envision that words have different meanings in different contexts. Context is everything.

HTH.

Yes, that's what the end of my post said, @itssunyyay!

@FinallyHere

Obviously the use of the word architect is meant to mean designer

Not in large scale IT projects they 'obviously' don't mean that. Architect and designer can be very different roles. Only in very, very small situations would one person do both and even then, it would be perfectly clear when they were doing which.

Amazed that you cannot envision that words have different meanings in different contexts. Context is everything.

HTH.

To be honest.. I said IABU ages ago

@itssunnyyay sssshhh don't tell this lot www.rina.org.uk/

Its all just words to make people feel better and pad out CV's. One organisation I was at employed a young lady to keep an eye on stationary, do photo copying, make sure tea/coffee was available for meetings etc, she asked for a pay rise and they gave her a new impressive job title, still did the same, would look good on her CV though.

Architects, same goes for engineers OH would say if you can't hit it with a hammer or poke it with a screwdriver its not engineering.