To say that job titles shouldn't include the word 'architect' unless they are actually an architect?

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Hi all, so my partner is an architect, It takes years to become an architect and you have to be registered on the RIBA (royal institute of British architects) to call yourself an architect.

I have noticed an increasing number of jobs using the job title 'architect' that has nothing to do with architecture.. for example, "solution Architect" which is 'responsible for evaluating an organisations business needs and determining how IT can support those needs leveraging software" so .. not an architect.

Other job titles are "software architect", "senior enterprise solution architect manufacturing", "web solutions architect", "HR solutions architect", "finance and accounting digital architect", "analytics implementation architect", "deputy food architect", "platform architect" ... the list goes on

Isn't Architect a protected title? IMO job titles should actually mean something, and all of the above mean absolutely nothing?

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Hi all, so my partner is an architect, It takes years to become an architect and you have to be registered on the RIBA (royal institute of British architects) to call yourself an architect.

The rest of the world has all kinds of IT architects and they don't have to listen to whatever some local British institute wants. The world is bigger than Britain and you have to deal with that.

@Fossilsmorefossils

Hi all, so my partner is an architect, It takes years to become an architect and you have to be registered on the RIBA (royal institute of British architects) to call yourself an architect.

The rest of the world has all kinds of IT architects and they don't have to listen to whatever some local British institute wants. The world is bigger than Britain and you have to deal with that.

Yeah fair enough, pretty sure it's a protected title in other countries too though

@DameHelena

I’m a woman. Born female.. but thanks for assuming just because I work in tech and know what the hell im talking about I’m a man.

OP has a husband that she’s defending his honour and making sure we know how special and important his job is.

[quote MarshmallowSwede]@DameHelena

I’m a woman. Born female.. but thanks for assuming just because I work in tech and know what the hell im talking about I’m a man.

OP has a husband that she’s defending his honour and making sure we know how special and important his job is.[/quote]
Defending his honour 🤣 lmao

Oh okay I get it now, you aren't an architect

Oh bless you. Flat earthers couldn't understand how the world could be spherical either. They also knew nothing about the subject on which they were pontificating.

Have you ever been on LinkedIn lmao

You plainly haven't spent enough time on it to understand how it gathers job data. Perhaps you should chat to those fictional professional recruiters who apparently don't know which industry they work in as well.

Keep going OP, I needed a good laugh to end the week.

[quote MarshmallowSwede]@DameHelena

I’m a woman. Born female.. but thanks for assuming just because I work in tech and know what the hell im talking about I’m a man.

OP has a husband that she’s defending his honour and making sure we know how special and important his job is.[/quote]
Oh, I confused you. I used the term 'mansplaining' in a more general sense: someone slightly condescendingly explaining something to me.
I should perhaps have used a different term.

Anyway, it meant you could conveniently avoid addressing the issue of why you thought I had an 'important dick swinging husband'.

I don't actually know why you singled me out at all; my opinion was pretty innocuous compared to some on this thread. I just said titles like 'solutions architect' are using the term 'architect' in a different way and people would know from context that no one was trying to muscle in on a building architect's job.

Really rather weird of you.

@C8H10N4O2

Oh okay I get it now, you aren't an architect

Oh bless you. Flat earthers couldn't understand how the world could be spherical either. They also knew nothing about the subject on which they were pontificating.

Have you ever been on LinkedIn lmao

You plainly haven't spent enough time on it to understand how it gathers job data. Perhaps you should chat to those fictional professional recruiters who apparently don't know which industry they work in as well.

Keep going OP, I needed a good laugh to end the week.

🤣 so arrogant. You're my new idol

Daily Fail weakass journalist, now is your time to shine.

People sell 'architectural services' and aren't always open about the fact that they're not qualified.

That would be a legitimate issue to raise, but it isn't what the OP is complaining about is it? The OP is upset that "solutions architects" and "data architects" etc. are using the term. And those people definitely aren't pretending to be building architects to rip people off.

@Wheniruletheworld

Nursery nurse, vetinary nurse, dental nurse all send Registered nurses into a flat spin as most think only nurses should call themselves a nurse. The title Registered nurse is protected, therefore those who aren't should pass themselves off as such.

I know, we hired a bottle of Night Nurse for a band five role and it was fucking useless.

I know what you mean OP. My partner is a Local Authority Director for Children and Young People - very experienced, long serving, huge responsibilities for hundreds of schools, children's social care etc , only one post at that level in each LA -

...yet in the school academy system loads of people are directors - regional director for secondary ( 4 schools), director for learning ( primary teacher), director of attendance ( admin/welfare role - at a level well below a teacher)...you get my drift.

Have you ever been on LinkedIn lmao

The fact that a load of shit and lazy recruiters waste people’s time on LinkedIn has nothing to do with protected job titles. I was approached about being Dean of the School of Medicine at Trinity College Dublin when I was a fucking PhD student (very obviously not qualified for that role in any way shape or form), and DH is regularly approached for graphic design jobs when he’s a strategist (no graphic design qualifications or experience). It’s because any idiot can set themselves up as a recruiter, not because the difference in job roles is unclear.

And yes an experienced software architect probably earns double what the average domestic architect earns, so I wouldn’t complain too much about Glassdoor mixing the two jobs up.

It’s already been said: but no IT data architects, solutions architects etc etc are going to be rocking up trying to design buildings.

@Changechangychange

Have you ever been on LinkedIn lmao

The fact that a load of shit and lazy recruiters waste people’s time on LinkedIn has nothing to do with protected job titles. I was approached about being Dean of the School of Medicine at Trinity College Dublin when I was a fucking PhD student (very obviously not qualified for that role in any way shape or form), and DH is regularly approached for graphic design jobs when he’s a strategist (no graphic design qualifications or experience). It’s because any idiot can set themselves up as a recruiter, not because the difference in job roles is unclear.

And yes an experienced software architect probably earns double what the average domestic architect earns, so I wouldn’t complain too much about Glassdoor mixing the two jobs up.

I’d have taken that job! Then channeled my best Sharon Horgan in Pulling when they finally realised.

Have you ever been on LinkedIn lmao

What? You sound about 12. 'LMAO' 🤦🏻‍♀️

@EarringsandLipstick

Have you ever been on LinkedIn lmao

What? You sound about 12. 'LMAO' 🤦🏻‍♀️

I'm pretty sure my generation invented the acronym so I doubt 12 year olds use it now

I'm pretty sure my generation invented the acronym so I doubt 12 year olds use it now

Kind of missing the point here, OP

So what is the problem then? I don't really understand. So it started off that these other architecture jobs aren't qualified / worthy etc. And then we've established that actually if anything these other architecture jobs are actually harder / better paid.

I mean how does anyone who's any kind of manager in their job title cope!? They must have all kind of problems in life with their average salary and recruitment consultants?

I mean how does anyone who's any kind of manager in their job title cope! Having manager in ones job title is a good indicator of ones lack of seniority.

That's not the point though, I meant it could cover so many different types of job in different industries.

@runforyourdog

So what is the problem then? I don't really understand. So it started off that these other architecture jobs aren't qualified / worthy etc. And then we've established that actually if anything these other architecture jobs are actually harder / better paid.

I mean how does anyone who's any kind of manager in their job title cope!? They must have all kind of problems in life with their average salary and recruitment consultants?

Being better paid doesn't really mean anything.. certain sectors happen to be better paid than others, a lot of IT jobs are also better paid than doctors. I'm also not sure how we've established that IT 'architecture' is harder than actual architecture, a lot of people here are accusing me of knowing nothing about the IT industry which fair enough I don't, but I think people here are also showing ignorance to the architecture industry and also don't actually know what architects do! They don't just draw buildings

@EarringsandLipstick

I'm pretty sure my generation invented the acronym so I doubt 12 year olds use it now

Kind of missing the point here, OP

I actually think you missed the sarcasm in my comment

I think using architecture in an IT sense is perfectly legitimate, as other people have said they are designing software or systems from scratch that are usually very complex and that link together in a myriad of ways. It's a job that requires a lot of studying, training and experience......just like an architect of buildings.

A Solutions Architect isn't going to rock up and try to design your extension OP. It's fine, they're different things and nobody is pretending they're the same. I would argue you have a point if some random interior designer or builder was using 'architect' where there is scope for confusion and for under qualified/experienced people trying to pass off as something they're not. This is definitely the case with the term 'psychologist' and has the potential to cause harm.

But no, Linda the Software Architect is a highly qualified professional, isn't going to pretend she can build a house and isn't getting called up by recruiters and confused with a traditional architect of buildings......unless they're extremely bad recruiters.