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AIBU?

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To think Mumsnet should set an example with their own recruitment?

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Treacletoots · 18/03/2022 20:15

Just that really. I've noticed Mumsnet are actively recruiting for a new digital marketing role, and it clearly states that the role is office based.

Having worked in this sector for over 15 years I know that this role is perfectly suited to working from home (if that's the candidates choice of course) with no detriment to performance.

Mumsnet's own jobs portal advertise flexible jobs for working parents, so why are they not applying the same expectations for their own team?

So Yes IABU, Mumsnet can do what they want or
no I am not BU, Mumsnet should be setting an example with flexible working for their employees...

OP posts:

PAFMO · 18/03/2022 21:19

Set an example of what?
If you want a WFH job, look for one. The MN job is advertised as office based so clearly not for you.
HQ have probably had more chance than most to witness people "WFH" (= arsing about on MN all day) than most in fairness.

Ducksurprise · 18/03/2022 21:22

I dislike working from home, not for me who has already learnt from the people before me, but for the new recruits. How is a school leaver meant to learn at home, Zoom is a poor replacement. I believe a lot of employers realise this, a hybrid might work but working at home only really suits those that have already made it.

dfendyr · 18/03/2022 22:07

@phishy

YABU. People work best when there is real life interaction, even if it’s just a couple of days a week.

I'm going add a bollocks to that - I've been WFH since the outbreak, what 2+ years now, and quite frankly I get more done because I am not chatting or commuting or worrying about leaving the office on time to miss the traffic?

SirChenjins · 18/03/2022 22:15

I second that bollocks - wfh suits many perfectly who work best when they’re not constantly being interrupted by this interaction. I know for some the office is as much about the social side as it is for work, and they’ve really struggled with not having those chats across the desk - but don’t pretend only the office = best working.

OP - yanbu. I’d have thought the MN would be a bit with the times.

Ducksurprise · 18/03/2022 22:18

So to the two posts above, how do you think new recruits especially school leavers will benefit from WFH

BurntO · 18/03/2022 22:21

YANBU. Office jobs should be hybrid IMO. Better for finances, flexibility, environment, productivity, work life balance. Cannot see any logical reason for mandatory office based 5 days a week working. It’s 2022.

sunisblinding · 18/03/2022 22:26

@phishy

YABU. People work best when there is real life interaction, even if it’s just a couple of days a week.

This is absolute bollocks.

Have you ever worked with data/analytics/fully online services?

In my company 12000 of us have reported to be working far more productively and with improved MH now we're not office based or commuting.

Luredbyapomegranate · 18/03/2022 22:27

You can’t generalise about whether a digital marketing role can be done at home or not. It would depend on how closely they need to work with other team members, how quickly briefs change, and all manner of things, also how successful the company has found home working.

It’s perfectly possibly to support flexible working while asking your staff to be mainly office based.

Who made you God etc. Yes YABU.

SirChenjins · 18/03/2022 22:29

@Ducksurprise

So to the two posts above, how do you think new recruits especially school leavers will benefit from WFH

A school leaver is highly unlikely to get a position like this, but new recruits will learn over Teams as they did during lockdown, or if there’s an absolute need to learn in person then presumably they will work 1 or 2 days a week in the office. Wfh is not new - how do you think companies have managed up until now? This is not a front facing role and it lends itself perfectly to hybrid or home working, it’s not necessary to be in the office 5 days a week anymore - that’s a very old fashioned approach.

RoastedFerret · 18/03/2022 22:35

@Ducksurprise

So to the two posts above, how do you think new recruits especially school leavers will benefit from WFH

This isn't about school leavers though?

DontLookBackInAnger1 · 18/03/2022 23:01

I don't know. I mean, Mumsnet don't owe anyone anything. They aren't forcing anyone to apply for or accept the role and for all people know there may be a good reason.

One effect of Covid is definitely people thinking they're entitled to all of the terms they want from a job. It's not a want, it's a sense of entitlement to WFH.

TheUsualShitshow · 18/03/2022 23:04

No it's not, but IME (well not my experience but as a manager of graduates) it's very hard to be a beginner in a role/industry where WFH is the culture.

The onboarding and usual learning and development continues as usual, but the small interactions, the quick questions, etc, are missed, and I think it all adds up to a gap.

Janesmom · 18/03/2022 23:04

I think this is a decision for the employer rather than the (potential) employees.

It’s fine to choose a job that suits you but YABU to expect an employer to create the role around your preferences. If your wishes don’t align with those of the employer, you simply aren’t right for the job.

DdraigGoch · 18/03/2022 23:09

If you don't like it, don't apply. If no one applies then they may reconsider. If people do apply, then maybe they don't mind (or heaven-forbid prefer) working in an office. It's a free country.

Ducksurprise · 18/03/2022 23:12

@TheUsualShitshow

No it's not, but IME (well not my experience but as a manager of graduates) it's very hard to be a beginner in a role/industry where WFH is the culture.

The onboarding and usual learning and development continues as usual, but the small interactions, the quick questions, etc, are missed, and I think it all adds up to a gap.

This. Whilst this job isn't about school leaders having this experience in the office will filter down. Whilst people may have managed over lockdown it is hardly ideal.

And Sir I'm not stupid, WFH has been around for years but only when it suits the employer. Now people think it should only suit the employees

EeeICouldRipATissue · 18/03/2022 23:22

I've voted YANBU as I keep seeing jobs in MN and think I would be perfect for some of the roles but I'm nowhere bloody near London 😭

dfendyr · 18/03/2022 23:27

@Ducksurprise

So to the two posts above, how do you think new recruits especially school leavers will benefit from WFH

Is this a school leaver role?

I haven't looked at it, but a wfh role normally requires some experience

kittensinthekitchen · 19/03/2022 01:13

@EeeICouldRipATissue

I've voted YANBU as I keep seeing jobs in MN and think I would be perfect for some of the roles but I'm nowhere bloody near London 😭

This.

I bet it's not so much office-based as London-based.

EeeICouldRipATissue · 19/03/2022 01:24

@kittensinthekitchen
This. I bet it's not so much office-based as London-based.

Yes, I get the emails and see the posts on here.
The office roles I think are based in Camden, London.
Fab if you're near there, if you're not anywhere near London though you're stuffed!

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 19/03/2022 02:12

Now people think it should only suit the employees

You say this like it's a bad thing. For far to long employment has been all about how the employee can serve the employer and chasing constant growth. That model is outdated and unsustainable and will have to come to an end very soon if we are to make it through this century as a civilisation. There is absolutely no reason anyone in 2022 should be forced to give up such a significant part of their life to their work, other than to sate unadulterated greed of the elite.

toomanydogsandcats · 19/03/2022 04:59

Well they are a business. People on here forget that and think they are jolly big sister types. I find the way they allow threads to sometimes go too far when there's a pile on to be along the same lines as ITV allowing Jeremy Kyle to be on TV. Its a business and they make money from misery. So not surprised if they don't always remember to play the game.

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 19/03/2022 05:05

[quote Treacletoots]@VladmirsPoutine no.. it's actually really underpaid as well [/quote]
I noticed that too.

toomanydogsandcats · 19/03/2022 05:08

@Thebestwaytoscareatory

Now people think it should only suit the employees

I can only imagine the person who wrote this is still in the sixth form or FE college. Most of us grew out of such nonsense years ago. But it gave me a good chuckle

Momijin · 19/03/2022 05:12

I work mostly from home and also in marketing. But our real life meetings are more productive than our virtual ones and they tend to last a day (about 4 x a year). My ideal would be office twice a week, home 3 days a week but I live too far.

I think you miss out being completely remote.

TheUsualShitshow · 19/03/2022 09:52

Office-based work is going to mean the end of civilisation? Oh please do explain.

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