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To wonder about the fetishisation of cleaning?

277 replies

Skelligsfeathers · 17/03/2022 22:36

Cleaning and housework used to be just that. A necessary evil which most people did but didn't enjoy.
Now however, it seems to be a hobby almost for some people and the standards expected of people's homes seem to be insanely high.
Endless videos on social media of people pouring multiple chemicals into already pristine sinks. Grown adults getting excited about cleaning cloths and different fragrances of disinfectant.
TV shows where people who are obviously ill with OCD are paraded as being somehow morally superior to others because they spend hours every day cleaning already clean houses....

I just don't get it.
Is it all just another way of making money?
Or is it saying something deeper about our society?

OP posts:
PierresPotato · 18/03/2022 11:14

The toilet roll / tap needs a further explanation for me too!

Momijin · 18/03/2022 11:14

@RowanAlong

Interesting how some people can see it as meditative or calming or enjoy the repetitive nature of it. Cleaning enrages me as the worst kind of necessary but time-wasting exercise, that is never complete, appreciated, or enjoyable.
This
fairylightsandwaxmelts · 18/03/2022 11:21

@justanoldhack

I agree, I think it's really sad. There is so much more of value you could be doing with your life...
What, like posting snarky replies on here? Wink

Why do some people seek to care so much about what other people spend their time doing?

It's never "oh, cleaning's not for me" - if always has to be accompanied by some kind of put down Hmm

linerforlife · 18/03/2022 11:23

They fold the end of the toilet paper into a point and then "stamp" it with the tap. A quick Google suggests it's a Mrs Hinch "hack". Its just an example of the "titivating" they do - another would be endless arranging of my sofa cushions. I don't ask the agency for a house stylist... you're a cleaner please clean!!

To wonder about the fetishisation of cleaning?
ChelseeDagger · 18/03/2022 11:25

Its easy to be clean and tidy when you don't have many things.
My working class friends haven't, on the whole inherited lots of art, furniture etc from their parents. They have carefully curated accessories which match the current decor and are replaced periodically.

Similarly for clothes, shoes, handbags, coats, accessories, books, toys, bedding, blankets, for themselves and their children. They have less so its easier to keep it all tidy in appearance.

They have 'a place for everything and everything in its place' homes also tend to be smaller and modern so there just isn't the space to accumulate lots of things, whether they wanted to or not.

DrSbaitso · 18/03/2022 11:45

On the one hand I hate it as a boring chore, on the other there is something therapeutic about it. I certainly like having a clean house.

My husband does his share though, so I never feel like a cleaning droid.

PierresPotato · 18/03/2022 12:11

Thank you linerforlife.
I'm not going down the stamping route.Grin

BertieBotts · 18/03/2022 12:13

@oblada

I am not really on social media or watch TV programmes like this so I am not sure of the extent of this trend however I'd suggest two reasons:
  • we are losing the connections with our neighbours and elders and so are turning to social media for basic day to day advice.
  • we live is a world where we have constant worries about the future, environment, wars, illnesses etc and cleaning obsessively is a form of control. It makes us feel in control of our immediate environment and allows us the forget the lack of control over the bigger picture.
The first part of this is very interesting to me actually. In many ways making connections globally can actually be better than being stuck with whoever you happen to be near to in proximity. Although of course has its own problems when you get into competition and fakery, plus it's nice to have friends/support in real life.
Sanada · 18/03/2022 13:02

I love cleaning. I love watching Cleaning tv shows, following cleaning influencers on social media and cleaning my home. My home is not a show home however as I take a relaxed approach to my cleaning (mainly because I'm a nurse and it can be hard to juggle work and cleaning - although I'm signed off at the minute due to pregnancy). I hate the attitude and snobbery in this thread from people who don't get it, I don't judge people who have interests different to mine. Rolling my eyes at the posters who linked an enjoyment of cleaning with the patriarchy as well - let women enjoy their hobbies.

catscatscatseverywhere · 18/03/2022 13:05

@starrynight21

I like cleaning - it's good to take something messy / dirty and make it clean and attractive. To me it's no different from doing the gardening, making something nice where there used to be a mess.

I'm not convinced by your comment Cleaning and housework used to be just that. A necessary evil which most people did but didn't enjoy

Most women of my mother's generation were at home, and they did the housework every day, very thoroughly if I remember. They took a lot of pride in doing this job well . You might think they didn't enjoy it, but I'm sure that many of them did, just as people today enjoy it.

You only notice this because it is more exhibited on social media - that doesn't mean it's a new thing.

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Relentlessrose · 18/03/2022 13:14

metro.co.uk/2020/08/12/tributes-wonderful-woman-who-died-inhaling-bleach-fumes-cleaned-bathroom-13118884/

There are definitely concerns around the safety of chemicals, and I'm sure there will be many more cases like this poor woman who died from toxic fumes caused by mixing products

abc4321 · 18/03/2022 13:20

For me, there's a difference between keeping your home clean and tidy, and the more obsessive level of cleaning. I don't like living in a pig sty and I'm lucky enough to have a cleaner.

But I can't understand the Mrs Hinch type of cleaning and home inspiration. The stockpiling in "narnia" cupboards stuffed with loads of different cleaning products. The consumerism and cost of constantly updating the interiors to keep up with every trend. It's almost cult like.

If you find cleaning relaxing, that's good. It's the next level that I'm less sure about. Where you spend so much time cleaning that you don't have time for other things - could be your career but equally it could be spending time with family and friends. Or just putting your feet up and doing nothing.

I personally find it a bit regressive and of a time when women were stuck with most of the household duties, whether or not they worked outside the home as well. I believe there's a lot more to life than spending hours and hours cleaning. I can't imagine wishing I'd kept my house cleaner when my days are more numbered. Or making my children feel they can't play or relax in their home in case they make a mess.

Equally, I appreciate that others take a different view which is their prerogative.

trancepants · 18/03/2022 13:22

the fetishisation of cleaning

God, could you imagine if cleaning was a real fetish? Getting turned on just wiping the countertops down and having a massive fucking orgasm when you get your grouting shiny white. My house would always be sparkling and I would never be able to keep the smile off my face.

Of course it would be difficult to clean up when there are DC or DP(arents) in the house. But what a boon for relationship. Send the kids off to the GP for the afternoon so you and DH can get down and dirty making the house gleam. 'Tis a consummation. Devoutly to be wished.

Knittingchamp · 18/03/2022 13:30

I think what it says about our society is that women should aspire to clean their houses - being houseproud is truly aspirational - and if they do they should be very proud.

Surprise surprise, no men are involved in this. Just another 1950's throwback to keep women chained to the kitchen sink if you ask me.

thepeopleversuswork · 18/03/2022 13:40

There's a big difference between wanting your home to be clean and actively enjoying cleaning and turning it into a hobby.

I like a reasonably clean and tidy home because mess and dirty makes me feel stressed and chaotic. So I do clean and tidy a fair bit and I have a cleaner.

I have never in my life lived in or wanted to live in a "show home" and would certainly never talk about cleaning or God forbid consume cleaning related content by influencers.

Shoot me but I do think being that emotionally involved in the topic of cleaning your home is a bit self-limiting.

thepeopleversuswork · 18/03/2022 13:41

But I can't understand the Mrs Hinch type of cleaning and home inspiration. The stockpiling in "narnia" cupboards stuffed with loads of different cleaning products. The consumerism and cost of constantly updating the interiors to keep up with every trend. It's almost cult like.

I agree. It's grim. Depressing and Stepword Wifelike.

Flowersandhearts · 18/03/2022 13:45

@Skelligsfeathers

Cleaning and housework used to be just that. A necessary evil which most people did but didn't enjoy. Now however, it seems to be a hobby almost for some people and the standards expected of people's homes seem to be insanely high. Endless videos on social media of people pouring multiple chemicals into already pristine sinks. Grown adults getting excited about cleaning cloths and different fragrances of disinfectant. TV shows where people who are obviously ill with OCD are paraded as being somehow morally superior to others because they spend hours every day cleaning already clean houses....

I just don't get it.
Is it all just another way of making money?
Or is it saying something deeper about our society?

YANBU in general BUT for most OCD sufferers with a contamination obsession (which not all OCD sufferers have) their condition does not manifest in a clean, tidy, orderly house... try being unable to pick things off the floor because they're contaminated, being unable to wipe up certain spills because your hands might get contaminated, being overrun with rubbish because to get rid of it would involve touching a bin.
NeverDropYourMooncup · 18/03/2022 13:46

@RJnomore1

The two women I know well who are obsessive about this sort of thing both gre up in dirty, abusive homes. Mess and disorder triggers their memories. It’s a way of them keeping control (and for both of them it well precedes social media). Actually I also know a man who is the same. And I totally get them.

It’s the idea that cleaning is a hobby that baffles me. It’s not, it’s part of life. There’s a whole world of exciting things out there to learn, see and do and people are obsessed with zoflora. It’s also not really physically healthy, all the chemicals and no chance to maintain your immune system. It’s baffling, performative and I suspect in some cases a way of feeling superior?

It's really difficult to vocalise just how claustrophobic it feels.

Everything feels unpleasant - the surfaces, the clothes, the light, the air - everything. You can't even let your eyes relax because there is stuff shouting at you for attention wherever you let them fall - and if you forget yourself for an instant, you're likely to get hurt, get dirtier or get tangled up in more stuff.

The walls close in, the air is stifling and thick with dust, there's always a particularly unpleasant smell somewhere, you can't see clearly, you know that everything outside your body is a hazard and you can't do anything about it.

Add in abuse and violence with a side of gaslighting about how it's fine really, only common people clean all the time, only boring people clean all the time, how you are entirely responsible for the mess of twenty years when you're only ten, how it's normal to have to wear shoes inside because your feet need protecting from the floor and only common women have people take shoes off in the house - and everything about dirt and clutter adds to the constant feeling that something is going to happen at any given moment.

But if your home is clean and tidy, it smells different. The air feels cool and clean. You can stare off into space and there's nothing getting into your line of sight demanding your attention. You touch a worksurface and it feels clean. You can smell the scent of a tree in blossom outside or honeysuckle in summer, not whatever was festering in the binbags. A buzzing sound is a bumblebees outside the window in the sunshine, not flies coming into the house where they will crawl over the pots and plates after crawling over animal faeces. You can pick anything up out of the cupboard without stuff falling out on your head, disturbing vermin or having to wash it again before use. Your bed is comfortable rather than worsening your symptoms. Sunlight pours in through the open window. You can feel the clean rug under bare feet as you walk safely from bathroom to bedroom without fear of something slicing your foot open.

And because the air is right, the light is right, everything you see, hear, feel, experience is different, there are the scents of flowers and fruit and plants (real or fake) instead of decay, grease, shit and dust, you aren't in that old place.

Damn right I feel superior to the woman who made us live in those conditions.

TheLeadbetterLife · 18/03/2022 13:55

@Relentlessrose

Patriarchy + capitalism = fetishisation of cleaning aimed primarily at women and girls.

Look I love a sparkly new product, a new scented one or a funky cloth or sponge as much as the next one. But there is a darker side to this, where women and girls especially are being targeted to be good little housewives, have their mental health problems minimised and made into memes, and a lot of the time it's targeting the poorer women to spend lots of cash on something which shouldn't cost much money at all. It costs a lot to have a perfect grey home. It puts a pressure on people to have perfect homes, whilst balancing all their other responsibilities. It can cause low self esteem for people who don't do it, or anxiety and stress to constantly keep to high standards for those that do. It's a mixed bag, because I know there is a therapeutic element to housework. But when it's a big movement it can become damaging, exploitative and be weaponised to keep women down in a patriarchal society.

Exactly so. Betty Friedan is due a revival.
Badbaddog · 18/03/2022 13:57

Wow, @NeverDropYourMooncup, that is truly the most eloquent piece I’ve ever read on MN. Thank you, I really do feel I have a new insight now. And I’m so, so sorry you have had the experience that gave rise to your post 💐

RJnomore1 · 18/03/2022 14:04

@NeverDropYourMooncup I’m really sorry you went through that. I’m really sorry you linked my two paragraphs as well as they were meant to reflect different things, one of the women I know from the first paragraph is one if my best friends and she certainly doesn’t think she is superior, quite the opposite ( although I think she is!)

WeirdlyKind · 18/03/2022 14:09

@anothernamedoesntsmellsosweet

Cotton wool soaked with white vinegar and left to soak over the taps will lift the lime. For rust you need a proper rust remover imo.

implantreplace · 18/03/2022 14:11

I love the idea that all these non-cleaning posters are somehow filling their time with reading, writing, poetry, volunteering, exercising etc

When in reality

It’s probably just a shed load more time on mumsnet!!! Let’s be honest, it is Grin

dayswithaY · 18/03/2022 14:31

@NeverDropYourMooncup I love you, you have perfectly put into words the way I feel. I just need that cleanliness, the space, the order. I feel anxious and angry if I can't clean the way I want to. A psychiatrist once told me it was just the repetitive behaviour that I found comforting, not the cleaning itself but I'm not so sure.

In my case it keeps bad thoughts away and has helped me switch my control over food to control over the house. If it works for me, I'll keep doing it and no amount of sneering will stop me.

Thanks for describing it better than I could.

mnnewbie111 · 18/03/2022 14:35

I hate it but the once a year I clean (half joking) it is very satisfying afterwards