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This is just shocking (trigger warning -racism)

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iloverock · 15/03/2022 18:19

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/department-for-education-metropolitan-police-services-scotland-yard-hackney-b988292.html

Please read the formal review.

Essentially the teaching staff called the police because a black 15 year old girl smelt of cannabis. She was taken to a room and strip searched. She was on her period. Her mother wasn't notified. She was not given the opportunity for an appropriate adult to be present.

OP posts:
Toomanyradishes · 15/03/2022 20:51

Just because a police officer once did something to a white person doesnt mean these police officers didnt make a racially motivated decision

If 1 police office illegally strip searvhes a white child then all future strip searches of black children cannot be due to rasism, really, thats whats being argued here?

Testingprof · 15/03/2022 20:51

@Twentyn1ne your experience does not make this not racist. By coming on a thread which is trying to highlight the racism within the acts carried out you are actively trying to undermine the racism keenly felt by this young girl. Your experience does not therefore mean this was not motivated by racism.

Bebabelouba · 15/03/2022 20:54

That's a good question @TigerMTV

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 15/03/2022 20:55

I was starting to worry when PP who work in schools said they weren’t surprised or they ‘hoped’ they would have said something. Thank you for restoring a bit of my faith!

The hoped bit was obviously aimed at me. Did you read @Makeitsoso’s post about people’s reactions to authority figures? It’s impossible to know how we would react in these situations. I know I wouldn’t have called the police in the first place.

Quackpot · 15/03/2022 20:56

What the fuck

WeDontTalkAboutBrunoNoNoNo · 15/03/2022 20:58

@BeingATwatItsABingThing School staff can only search bags and pockets yes but what I mean is, if the Headteacher wants to call the police in to search a child further, they don't have to call parents according to whatever nonsense government guidelines. Considering how much safeguarding is quite rightly the top of the priority list in schools, I really can't reconcile this with the fact that schools can effectively remove that layer of safeguarding protection when they have suspicions about a child. Nobody safeguarded that poor child that day, it is truly awful.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/03/2022 20:58

Poor girl. What a traumatic experience. I hope she will soon be able to put this abuse behind her. Heads should roll.

Nnique · 15/03/2022 20:58

This is absolutely horrendous. That poor girl.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 15/03/2022 20:59

[quote WeDontTalkAboutBrunoNoNoNo]@BeingATwatItsABingThing School staff can only search bags and pockets yes but what I mean is, if the Headteacher wants to call the police in to search a child further, they don't have to call parents according to whatever nonsense government guidelines. Considering how much safeguarding is quite rightly the top of the priority list in schools, I really can't reconcile this with the fact that schools can effectively remove that layer of safeguarding protection when they have suspicions about a child. Nobody safeguarded that poor child that day, it is truly awful.[/quote]
It’s truly fucked up!

Wolfie12 · 15/03/2022 21:01

Why am I not surprised? The Met need to be overhauled with each and every officer put through vigorous tests. It appears the entry requirements so far consist of being racist and hating women. Appalling but shitty Patel will no doubt defend them. Horrible bastards the lot of them.

worriedatthistime · 15/03/2022 21:01

Have the officers been sacked s surely they have broken rules and would know an appropriate adult would be needed , the teachers as well why wasn't one of them in the room at least

PineForestsAndSunshine · 15/03/2022 21:03

I don’t know how that poor girl is finding the strength to even think about walking back into that school to take her exams. How can she ever trust anyone there to keep her safe?

Sad to say I wasn’t surprised that the Met police did this, but the teachers and school nurse going along with it has floored me.

I’d never heard of the adultification of black children before reading this thread and the linked articles, but so many other things seem clearer when you apply that lens to them Sad

Shame on the people who rushed on this thread to share their Very Important Opinion that we can’t possibly know if it was racially motivated. The police themselves have said that it was racially motivated

emuloc · 15/03/2022 21:04

The poor girl. I am not shocked tough. The things that my male family members tell me about their interactions with some teacher's, and the police makes me so angry, and sad. Black boys and girls are unfortunately viewed and treated differently.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/03/2022 21:05

@worriedatthistime

Have the officers been sacked s surely they have broken rules and would know an appropriate adult would be needed , the teachers as well why wasn't one of them in the room at least
I've quoted some of the review upthread about what a confusing mess this is (section 5 of the review if you want to read for yourself).

chscp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Child-Q-PUBLISHED-14-March-22.pdf

Some upthread posted the review's comments that it's effectively not their remit to assign blame or investigate people's conduct as that is for the respective professional bodies of those involved.

Rockdown2020 · 15/03/2022 21:05

This is absolutely horrendous. Shame on every single adult involved in this. It’s a disgrace. Thanks OP for highlighting as I hadn’t seen this story.

DidymusAmbrosius · 15/03/2022 21:06

@Copin

The girl and her parents say it happened. The safeguarding review said it happened. The Met say it happened.

(Certain) mumsnetters - “did it really happen?”

Basically, this is how this thread is coming across.

It's fucking ridiculous.

The poor girl was pulled from an exam and assaulted at school, by police officers, while her teachers stood outside the room and let it happen.

My opinion of the Met Police could not be any lower.

ldontWanna · 15/03/2022 21:08

@Pieceofpurplesky

I am a teacher. They would have had to fucking arrest me in order to get near a child to search her like this.

Ashamed that people in my profession did not protect a pupil. They should be fired straight away.

At my school we wouldn't have called the police to begin with , much less let it go that far. It's appalling behaviour from everyone involved.
EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/03/2022 21:08

@PineForestsAndSunshine

I don’t know how that poor girl is finding the strength to even think about walking back into that school to take her exams. How can she ever trust anyone there to keep her safe?

Sad to say I wasn’t surprised that the Met police did this, but the teachers and school nurse going along with it has floored me.

I’d never heard of the adultification of black children before reading this thread and the linked articles, but so many other things seem clearer when you apply that lens to them Sad

Shame on the people who rushed on this thread to share their Very Important Opinion that we can’t possibly know if it was racially motivated. The police themselves have said that it was racially motivated

I'd never seen fawn response before today and that's food for thought.

Whilst well-known behavioural responses are the fight, flight, or freeze responses, Child Q may have experienced a fawn response24. Flight includes running away, fight is to challenge aggressively, and freeze is when someone becomes unable to move physically or make choices.
The fawn response involves rapidly moving to try to please a person to avoid any conflict. This could have accounted for Child Q’s compliance.

I'd have to look around to see if there's any more information on that.

RedWingBoots · 15/03/2022 21:08

Shame on the people who rushed on this thread to share their Very Important Opinion that we can’t possibly know if it was racially motivated. The police themselves have said that it was racially motivated

I have a strong suspicion the posters saying that it is not racially motivated are either trolls, or police officers who have links to the police officers involved.

phishy · 15/03/2022 21:08

I am so angry. How can this stuff still be happening?

IF YOU ARE READING POLICE OFFICERS, YOU BEHAVED LIKE UTTER, UTTER RACIST CUNTS.

I HOPE YOU LOSE YOUR FUCKING JOBS AND REGRET YOUR RACIST ACTIONS EVERY DAY OF YOUR FUCKING LIVES.

Clymene · 15/03/2022 21:10

I wish I were surprised by this but I'm not.

The Met is institutionally racist, misogynist and homophobic. It's not one bad apple - it's a barrel full, rotten to the core. The whole thing needs disbanding.

If you haven't heard the interview with Mina Smallman (mother of Bibaa and Nicole) on Women's hour, it's really worth a listen.

Can find a link if anyone wants.

That poor, poor girl.

worriedatthistime · 15/03/2022 21:10

@Verity226 did you also not have an appropriate adult present

WeDontTalkAboutBrunoNoNoNo · 15/03/2022 21:12

@Testingprof Absolutely, I say this over and over again. Sick of people boiling racism down to the sum of unacceptable terminology when these is more than enough evidence to prove that it's so much deeper than that.

phishy · 15/03/2022 21:13

@Clymene

I wish I were surprised by this but I'm not.

The Met is institutionally racist, misogynist and homophobic. It's not one bad apple - it's a barrel full, rotten to the core. The whole thing needs disbanding.

If you haven't heard the interview with Mina Smallman (mother of Bibaa and Nicole) on Women's hour, it's really worth a listen.

Can find a link if anyone wants.

That poor, poor girl.

Please do post the link. Thanks
MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/03/2022 21:17

Absolutely appalling and it's good that this is being viewed as child abuse and racism. The review makes chilling reading and I'm glad to see some of the school staff regretting their actions. Teachers shouldn't need special guidelines to know that children shouldn't be strip searched in schools - it's fundamental safeguarding and a human right.

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