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to think that we have a chance in Eurovision this year

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Polyanthus2 · 10/03/2022 18:46

news.sky.com/story/eurovision-tiktok-singing-sensation-sam-ryder-will-perform-for-uk-with-track-space-man-12562140

Good looking and a good voice - I'm not on tiktok so this singer is new to me!
Even the song seems ok!

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Nicholethejewellery · 14/03/2022 10:33

@CharacterForming

I don't understand why people think that (for example) the Armenians, Turks, Russians, Moldovans, Israelis and Azerbaijanis hate us? It speaks to poor self-image.
Lots of countries hate us. Not everyone in those countries, but a large proportion.

I'm surprised you wonder why people would think Russia hates us given that Putin hates the west, doesn't trust us, believes we are existential threat to him and above all controls the media in his country so that many of the public are brainwashed into believing whatever he tells them is the truth.

Moldovans, Armenians, Azerbaijanis - ex-USSR controlled countries in general - feel that we haven't done enough to help them since the collapse of the USSR and are resentful that their standard of living is still much worse than ours (oil profiteers aside).

Turkey is one of many countries around the world who have not forgiven us for our imperialism in the past (ignoring their own of course).

Israel hates us because we didn't settle the status of the Jewish nation firmly enough after WW2, meaning we allowed a strong Arab presence to persist. Add to that the many people in this country who believe that Israeli land grabs and military attacks against Palestinian civilians are unjust.

These countries are just the tip of the iceberg. There aren't many countries who don't have some form of grudge against us for something that happened long before any of us were born. People in Ireland still go on about the potato famine, people still go on about the slave trade etc. Remember France, de Gaulle prevented Britain from joining the EU for years simply because we offered him safe haven during the second world war. Some things can't be forgiven.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 14/03/2022 10:36

@ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave Why? Or do you think Eurovision is just about glitter and crap pop tunes? Everything is political at the moment.

CharacterForming · 14/03/2022 11:33

Nicholethejewellery You can indeed argue that Russia and the former Soviet republics might hate "the West".
But we're talking about the UK in particular. Why would those countries be happy to vote for Italy/Germany/France/Portugal/Finland/Israel/Denmark but have a specific issue with the UK?

Alarae · 14/03/2022 12:28

I love Eurovision and I have to say the UK has sent some absolute crap for the past few years (decades, maybe) so it is understandable we don't get many votes when the competition is so much higher. The last time I remember the UK doing vaguely well was when Blue went one year.

That said, this song has a catchy chorus I can see it being excellent on the radio. With a bit of promotion, maybe we can sneak into the top half.

I would love for us to win and host (I would camp overnight to get tickets) but I don't see that happening unfortunately.

StColumbofNavron · 14/03/2022 14:10

My brain is soon going to explode. I have extensive family in a few of the countries mentioned - I can assure you they are not waiting for Eurovision every year to prove some kind of point to the UK. In fact, it doesn't credit them with much intelligence to suggest that they are and is quite offensive actually. I'm of Turkish origin and that means that sometimes I like the Greek and Cypriot entries because they are similar to Turkish music - same with Azeri and Armenian music - if it was political I would never vote for Greece, Cyprus or Armenia, but I do, disproportionately in fact.

Like everyone else, and has been said repeatedly already - you vote for what you like, not what you don't like which means 16 countries will not get votes.

samsalmon · 14/03/2022 21:09

Ok again, who knows if everyone hates us, my guess is they actually don’t. Even if they do (unlikely), it’s not how Eurovision works.

Then, either you watch Eurovision and have an inkling of how it works, or you don’t and you don’t.

Last, I’m predicting a top ten finish for us this year, so let’s see!

samsalmon · 14/03/2022 21:20

It’s a great song, with all the key ingredients and an amazing lift at the end.

I don’t know the singer but his voice is insanely good. That counts for a lot at Eurovision.

All we need now is effective staging and we will do very well!

TheCatterall · 14/03/2022 22:16

Erm no. Doesn’t matter who sings or how good they are. Have you seen the relationship we have with our EU counterparts. We’ll get laughed off the stage vote wise and maybe one or two pity votes. Can’t even see Ireland voting for us at the moment.

SwedishEdith · 14/03/2022 23:03

[quote ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave]@MNHQ can we have an instant ban for anybody who comes into the thread saying "IT'S ALL POLITICAL THEY ALL HATE US!!!111" at this stage?[/quote]
Just an instant deleted message will do.

CharacterForming · 14/03/2022 23:18

@TheCatterall

Erm no. Doesn’t matter who sings or how good they are. Have you seen the relationship we have with our EU counterparts. We’ll get laughed off the stage vote wise and maybe one or two pity votes. Can’t even see Ireland voting for us at the moment.
You do realise that Eurovision =/= the EU?
ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 15/03/2022 12:26

@ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave Why? Or do you think Eurovision is just about glitter and crap pop tunes? Everything is political at the moment.

Because it's complete crap which shows the person hasn't put any thought into it and has nothing useful to add to a Eurovision thread.

mathanxiety · 16/03/2022 00:27

@SwedishEdith, I second that.

Divebar2021 · 15/05/2022 00:43

Oh look we came second. What a lot of bull-shit a lot of you were all chatting.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 15/05/2022 03:00

This thread aged well!

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