Surely they can’t expect us to pay 240 per month for power!

[Ellie198712]

Just read Martin Lewis’s latest email and it’s predicting average bills of £2900 per year!! Surely the government will need to step in and subsidise this cost. Our current bill is about 100 per month, and this just seems untenable for the vast majority

I hate to indulge you but please explain how by 2030 nobody will own a house or a car?

I have to admit that I Googled it. Based on his predictions from 2016, apparently.

medium.com/illumination/in-2030-youll-own-nothing-and-be-happy-about-it-abb2835bd3d1

Now known as The Great Reset

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset

My new quote is almost £4000 per year. Boris said earlier that lots of help is being put in place. Really?

Is it being unreasonable to say that some people will die / starve / become homeless with these increases just in fuel?

@DoobryWhatsit do you have any links re banning stoves and will it apply to those already installed?

Thanks

For what it's worth - if your energy company has a lot of your money, you can ask for it back. Mine had increased my monthly DD, but my consumption was lower than they'd estimated. They were sitting on about £300 of my money. So I asked for it back, and they gave it to me. They would prefer to do it by adjusting your monthly payment, but you can insist they pay it back as a lump sum instead.
This info might be of some help to somebody.

@welshweasel

Ours has gone from £270/month up to £650/month. From April we are looking at over £800/month. It’s like having another mortgage to pay.

Bloody hell!!! How?

[quote EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]I hate to indulge you but please explain how by 2030 nobody will own a house or a car?

I have to admit that I Googled it. Based on his predictions from 2016, apparently.

medium.com/illumination/in-2030-youll-own-nothing-and-be-happy-about-it-abb2835bd3d1

Now known as The Great Reset

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset[/quote]
I missed a link.

There's a Great Reset podcast and even a 280-page book. But the plan is light on specific detail.

Prof Schwab does speak about a "wealth tax" and ending fossil fuel subsidies. But the scope is huge - covering technology, climate change, the future of work, international security and other themes - and it's difficult to see precisely what the Great Reset might mean in practice.

This lack of clarity, combined with the plan being launched by an influential organisation, provided fertile ground for conspiracy theories to grow.

www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57532368

@Teachertotutor

That's a huge amount for those bills! Have you tried getting them down? I've just joined Giff Gaff mobile which has a great SIM only deal for just £10 a month. I just slashed Broadband costs in half by changing supplier, and if you threaten to leave Sky they will cut their prices too!

I don’t have Netflix or Sky etc I am on the sim only £8.99 per month deal with phone. All winter we have struggled through with just 1 electric radiator (no gas). Our rent isn’t extortionate for a 4 bed house (terrace with 4 adults) Yet bills are through the roof. I don’t have a problem with paying the bills (mainly because we are on the cheapest deal for everything. But I do wonder how anyone even remotely averagely paid is going to afford any of this.

I was discussing with Ds how if people are not able to pay then something has to give. Will people stop paying rent or mortgage? If you have cut down on food, heating, clothes, petrol etc how do you afford the basics if the basics suddenly become unaffordable.

[quote EmbarrassingHadrosaurus]I hate to indulge you but please explain how by 2030 nobody will own a house or a car?

I have to admit that I Googled it. Based on his predictions from 2016, apparently.

medium.com/illumination/in-2030-youll-own-nothing-and-be-happy-about-it-abb2835bd3d1

Now known as The Great Reset

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset[/quote]
Then who owns everything?

EDF has just told me that ours is going from £120 a month to £529 - I feel sick. How will we afford this?

[quote SquirrelG]@SamphiretheStickerist - loving your sensible posts.

Honestly, some of you on this thread don't have a clue. According to you, no older person has ever known poverty or hard times. As I said, you haven't a clue!!!

I don't live in the UK, but in another similar country, where people hurl the same accusations at boomers. I'm old enough to remember how some people have suffered financially due to various reasons, mostly out of their control, and certainly don't begrudge them any comforts they might have when they are older - and I don't remember them blaming previous generations for every ill in their lives!

Those who say why should we have to return to the days of the 70s, when people had to cope with cold weather without the benefits you enjoy today - that was how boomers lived, they had no choice. But according to some of you they have lived charmed lives with not a worry in sight. Sheer ignorance.[/quote]
Its sad how a lack of education is so prevalent amongst the Boomers.

It really does show.

I can’t believe how much some of you pay, I was upset at paying £60 for gas and electric

@MrsTommyS It's like a fan, DH can work while it's running. I tend to have it in the room where washing is drying, where were you thinking of putting it?

That make and model is a similar price to when I bought mine, I'm sure there were cheaper ones before, I'm not sure if everything has just gone up in the last few years. Argos used to have dehumidifiers with small storage for £50, they don't have them anymore.

[quote Readingtoaster]@DoobryWhatsit do you have any links re banning stoves and will it apply to those already installed?

Thanks[/quote]
There's loads of speculation, but I don't think anyone really knows what's likely to happen, or the time frame. Here's one article on the new regulations that came in this year:

www.google.com/amp/s/www.countrylife.co.uk/interiors/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-rules-on-log-burners-wood-burning-stoves-and-open-fires-236496/amp

It's a media fuelled delusion to suggest that there is no other option as there isn't an endless pot of money. No surprise the Tories want the public to think this. A wealth tax on those with a net worth of over 1 million would raise £260 billion. There are arguments against it but the alternative is a large percentage of the population falling further into poverty, businesses folding, high unemployment etc. etc.
www.lse.ac.uk/International-Inequalities/Assets/Documents/OLDWealthTaxCommission-Final-reportold.pdf

As much as I am dreading the price increases, and I don’t know how the hell I’m going to afford the bills - I kind of think this is the planets way of paying us back as humans for being so wasteful and taking so much for granted. A lot of people are going to have to right back to basics which will be hard for us all, but it will go some way to helping the planet to heal: hopefully!

Last year we were paying £96pcm. Our tariff ended in February but I locked into a new tariff at £186pcm. A couple of weeks ago, I looked at their options for swapping tariff (just out of curiousity) - it had increased to £300pcm - this week they're quoting £396.
We're locked in for 2 years at £186pcm but how are people going to cope with a 4x rise in fuel?!

[quote sequin2000]It's a media fuelled delusion to suggest that there is no other option as there isn't an endless pot of money. No surprise the Tories want the public to think this. A wealth tax on those with a net worth of over 1 million would raise £260 billion. There are arguments against it but the alternative is a large percentage of the population falling further into poverty, businesses folding, high unemployment etc. etc.
www.lse.ac.uk/International-Inequalities/Assets/Documents/OLDWealthTaxCommission-Final-reportold.pdf[/quote]
But then the issue becomes where the rich transfer their wealth to avoid tax,

@Snaketime

Someone I knows Bill has gone up to £500 per month . I really don't know how we are going to avoid the price raises, we can barely keep our head above water as it is.

I wish... DMIL's care home costs 4200 per month already. We are waiting for the email announcing the next increase to cover increasing fuel bills. DMIL is completely self funding BTW.

Some of it I wonder is also people's perspectives, some friends I know, they say they cannot afford heating, gas ect, yet next moment they are ordering takeaway pizzas, buying food from e.g. M & s, rather than budget brands ect,

Thing is it's not really just the usage. I spoke to my mum and her standing charge has gone up to 48p a day from 19p. That's about £87 extra a month.

@Handsoffreturns

Some of these price hikes don’t seem right to me. Rather than going on what the companies tell you, I assume you’ve worked things out for yourself based on your current useage? That is not meant to patronise btw, I got in a terrible mess a few years ago with my electricity bill as I just didn’t understand it. Now I know about price per unit/standing charge/the items sucking up our electric, I’ve been able to sort things out and am so much better prepared. If anyone would like help in working out their new costs please let me know and I’d be happy to help. Oh and if you have a hot tub, turn the damn thing off. I’ve saved £30 a month on current prices this way.

Absolutely

People need to know what devices are using energy. Electric showers, hot tubs, high power devices on for a long time.

Know your usage, know your devices and it's surprising how easy it is to reduce bills (although some people have cut down as much as they can)

DS likes his long showers. It costs about 5p a minute for a shower which can add up. Especially if you have a lot of people using the shower

@skade have you checked your usage? Not by price/cost but by kWH?
That seems very high (unless you live in a massive house)