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Surely they can’t expect us to pay 240 per month for power!

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Ellie198712 · 08/03/2022 18:33

Just read Martin Lewis’s latest email and it’s predicting average bills of £2900 per year!! Surely the government will need to step in and subsidise this cost. Our current bill is about 100 per month, and this just seems untenable for the vast majority

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Jeannie88 · 09/03/2022 19:16

At least it seems. Have been backed into a corner with a choice of 2 fixed tariffs over £450 a month or go variable, minimum £234! Was paying £167 a month, which was too much and hoped it would go down. We are all screwed! X

the80sweregreat · 09/03/2022 19:16

It will be shit :(

WombatChocolate · 09/03/2022 19:20

On one level, at the moment, this is simply the cost of providing the fuel. Supply factors have meant it costs more to supply and suppliers have to cover their costs. It isn’t someone trying to rip you off. It is simply the cost.

How far government should be intervening to help people struggling over this cost or any other is a political decision. They can subsidise fuel bills….but people need to grasp that the funds for this have to come from somewhere. It cannot just be them telling the firm to charge less. So if people receive subsidised bills, taxes somewhere along the line have to be raised to fund that and/or spending in other areas will have to be cut - schools? health? Whatever?

Government will expect and need to make sure that those who can reduce usage and save money elsewhere from their budgets do so. Many people will need to use less energy and not be so tasty warm, or wash their clothes as regularly, or cut down on their grocery bill or holidays, or cars or pension contributions or savings, or whatever else they spend on. Lots will be able to do this and find their energy bills. They won’t like doing it, but the government cannot fund all of those people with a subsidy when they do have some scope to adjust what they spend on.

Lots of families don’t have lots of flex in their budget, but there’s a bit. Tough choices in terms of a bit less heat, less nice food and putting up with not replacing items that could do with replacing makes life uncomfortable and not pleasant….but is possible. Lots will be in this category. Again the government needs to expect them to make these switches and not to subsidise, becaue it simply can’t afford to help everyone.

And then there are families who genuinely cannot make any adjustments. They are the ones who really need government help and will need it quickly.

The question for many, is whether they are in this final category or the one above. Lots are in this final category and I’d expect government will intervene further to help people because otherwise those with zero flex in their budget will be going hungry and their kids too. That won’t be acceptable …although they might have to put up with it for a while whilst government works it all out. But lots will be inThe previous group and be able to make some unpleasant choices and manage. It’s a grim existence to be selecting to have your house 3 degrees cooler and to have no treats at all in the weekly shop. It’s a grim existence to know you can pay the heating bills but there can’t be any takeaways for 6 months and no days out. But these are choices people will have to make, and can make.

I hope the costs drop soon and this horrible time is short lived and that government finds a way to identify those that really don’t have alternatives and gets help to them before they suffer too much.

Bitbloweyoutthere · 09/03/2022 19:21

I grew up in the 80s, but appear to have had a 70s childhood, based on heating etc.

One of the driving forces behind me doing well in school and getting a better paid job than my parent, was to have a warm house. To put the heating on when I wanted to. To have more than a piddling amount of hot water in the bath, like on the telly.

And my parents had it better than their parents. It makes me so, so angry that we're going backwards. But possibly more angry that people are telling us to just put up with it.

Hawkins001 · 09/03/2022 19:22

@Ellie198712

Just read Martin Lewis’s latest email and it’s predicting average bills of £2900 per year!! Surely the government will need to step in and subsidise this cost. Our current bill is about 100 per month, and this just seems untenable for the vast majority
If people have sky, etc, for those that can, what about cutting back on unnecessary expenses ?
BambinaJAS · 09/03/2022 19:24

@Hawkins001

There is an economic price for cutting down on how you soend your disposable income.

Keep in mind, that in the aggregate sense my spending is your income.

Twillow · 09/03/2022 19:25

I've read a lot of the pages, albeit not all, so forgive me if I've missed it but so far I've not seen any discussion of windfall tax for the likes of Shell and BP who made 40 billion profit last year.

Rishi Sunak said he rejected the idea on the basis that it would interfere with investment in low carbon energy by these companies.

However, Shell appear to be increasing, rather than reducing, their fossil gas operations. BP similarly plans to increase oil and gas production by 20% over the next 10 years.

Where is this government's support for its public over the shareholders' interests? I can't say I'm surprised as over the last 10 years the Conservatives have cut funding for solar power, ended subsidies for onshore wind farms, halted the Green Homes initiative as it was a shambles, broken their promise to make all new homes zero carbon and abandoned the fantastic Swansea Tidal Lagoon on the grounds of cost to taxpayers (an independent review estimated the cost at 30p a year.)

I'm so mad. I can barely afford my bills as it is, but consider myself fortunate as I have the opportunity to work overtime which as a double win also lets me leave the heating off. But my lovely elderly neighbours are terrified. And I won't be having a holiday, or the redecorating I'd planned.

Twillow · 09/03/2022 19:27

@Hawkins001
I'm sure a lot of people will have to reconsider their optional expenses. Do you have any pearls of wisdom for those already on the breadline?

the80sweregreat · 09/03/2022 19:30

My friend is a carer for her mum on a low income and she is terrified of these rises
Worked all her life and always struggled
It is sad seeing people trying to make ends meet and now all this.
It is awful

Perfect28 · 09/03/2022 19:32

Unsure33 I love how you claim technology will be the solution, whilst glossing over the (obvious) fact that our technology driven lives use so much of our energy. Oh, and your comments on the government/taxes etc strongly suggest to me that you need to read a basics economics book.

RagzRebooted · 09/03/2022 19:40

I'm really worried for my sister, she is a single parent (abusive twat ex fucked off but doesn't pay CM as he doesn't work) and although she did get a job that fitted around DCs she lost it because she had to keep taking time off when the DCs got covid symptoms (with preschool/reception age it was every other week practically!).
She's screwed by the benefits cap as rents are high where she is (her house is way below market rate and still £1300 a month) so she has around £300 a month for all food and bills. I don't know how she will manage any increases at all, it is really scary.

We are also struggling as DH has been on ESA for 6 months after a mental health crisis, but he is going back to work before our current energy fix ends so we will manage, just about. But our plan to buy the house we rent may not materialise as we won't be able to get enough of a deposit together before interest rates go too high or house prices rise further.

Nocutenamesleft · 09/03/2022 19:46

We’re moving and our nee house will have solar panels

Otherwise I think I might go mad. Though we won’t be free etc. We will be much better because of that

My combined is at £230 a month as it is

GenderCriticalTrumpets · 09/03/2022 19:54

My supplier wants £780 a month for a fixed rate for 12 months. So we've had to go on a variable at £340 which will cripple us. It is genuinely making me feel ill.

SquirrelG · 09/03/2022 19:56

@SamphiretheStickerist - loving your sensible posts.

Honestly, some of you on this thread don't have a clue. According to you, no older person has ever known poverty or hard times. As I said, you haven't a clue!!!

I don't live in the UK, but in another similar country, where people hurl the same accusations at boomers. I'm old enough to remember how some people have suffered financially due to various reasons, mostly out of their control, and certainly don't begrudge them any comforts they might have when they are older - and I don't remember them blaming previous generations for every ill in their lives!

Those who say why should we have to return to the days of the 70s, when people had to cope with cold weather without the benefits you enjoy today - that was how boomers lived, they had no choice. But according to some of you they have lived charmed lives with not a worry in sight. Sheer ignorance.

Clarabe1 · 09/03/2022 19:58

Me too @SamphiretheStickerist - love your posts!

Sallybates · 09/03/2022 20:11

I still can’t understand why the charges are increasing so much. We have plenty of wind power, don’t get a lot of stuff from Russia. Understand why standing charges are increasing but suspect some rich folk are going to make a lot of money from ordinary folk. Nationalise the lot!

lorking · 09/03/2022 20:12

Those who say why should we have to return to the days of the 70s, when people had to cope with cold weather without the benefits you enjoy today - that was how boomers lived, they had no choice. But according to some of you they have lived charmed lives with not a worry in sight. Sheer ignorance.

Who said boomers have had charmed lives without any worries? As a generation statistically they have benefited however this doesn't mean there was no suffering or everyone benefited.

legosnowqueen · 09/03/2022 20:13

It's an outcome of privatisation. The energy companies need to make a profit to reward shareholders. They have no interest is supporting the poor...they are not social enterprises. It is infuriating that part of the increase in our bills is to pay for failed energy companies...that can't be right...

lightand · 09/03/2022 20:14

@Leeanne922

Just saying what goes on is all planned, check out Klaus scwab and wef, by 2030 the plan is no one owns a house,goes on holiday,don't own or can't afford to drive a car, smart meters are used to cap energy use etc.makes an interesting read, it's all going as planned.
Yes, this.

And we are all supposed to be happy!
Own nothing and be happy is their slogan.

Jack80 · 09/03/2022 20:15

I’m sorry you are poorly, I hope you have a speedy recovery. xx

Rosscameasdoody · 09/03/2022 20:16

@Overthebow

The government is already subsidising it, and the energy companies are already swallowing huge costs. The cost of energy has massively increased. I’m really not sure what the solution is, but agree it’s going to be difficult for so many people. Our standard of living is going to take a big hit.
The energy companies may be incurring huge costs but I heard a discussion programme the other day and it was said that the energy companies admitted to ‘making more money than they knew what to do with.’ We’re a captive audience and this is going to get much worse before, or even if, it gets better I think.
the80sweregreat · 09/03/2022 20:16

We're being mugged off by the energy companies and the fact it isn't nationalized
Another policy by the tories for the tories and their rich chums , but people will still vote for them and nobody will protest , we will just moan and moan and suck it up . It all stinks to be honest.
Rolling back to the 70s isn't good

SaintJavelin · 09/03/2022 20:16

@Leeanne922

Just saying what goes on is all planned, check out Klaus scwab and wef, by 2030 the plan is no one owns a house,goes on holiday,don't own or can't afford to drive a car, smart meters are used to cap energy use etc.makes an interesting read, it's all going as planned.
I hate to indulge you but please explain how by 2030 nobody will own a house or a car?
Againstmachine · 09/03/2022 20:18

The only bit unless government Intervene we can change is how much we use unfortunately.

Problem is on Mumsnet we have different subsets of people.

We have those who are struggling choosing between eating and heating.

And we have those who wash towels /bedding every day have windows open heat on, want to wander about in shorts all year.

And many places in between.

But the only place you can control is usage some people won't be able some of these who are moaning will be able to lots but will choose not to.

MerryPoppings · 09/03/2022 20:20

@tttigress

Erm, but if the government subsidies the people who pays? The tax payer. Who is the tax payer? The people!!
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