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Surely they can’t expect us to pay 240 per month for power!

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Ellie198712 · 08/03/2022 18:33

Just read Martin Lewis’s latest email and it’s predicting average bills of £2900 per year!! Surely the government will need to step in and subsidise this cost. Our current bill is about 100 per month, and this just seems untenable for the vast majority

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BambinaJAS · 09/03/2022 17:18

@Blossomtoes

Stop being the online personification of Duning-Kruger. It does society no good.

Oh, the irony.

I am a financial and actuarial professional

You are what exactly?

Thats right. crickets

Moving on.

lorking · 09/03/2022 17:20

The only way paying for social care works is if we tap into poperty wealth (which is mostly unearned mind you)

I don't like it but realistically what other options are there? No it won't be Amazon or the global elite. The burden on income tax is already high & income tax payers are & will shrink.

BambinaJAS · 09/03/2022 17:21

[quote lorking]@BambinaJAS how popular will that be though?

Nobody wants to pay for it, that's the problem. [/quote]
Won't happen with Conservatives in power.

Might with Labour (small chance but not zero)

But yes, I imagine there will be a lot of political kicking and screaming.

The thing is, we are very much due an update to the council tax banding, which was last done in 1991.

Blossomtoes · 09/03/2022 17:21

I am a financial and actuarial professional

So you say. You could be anything. You’re definitely not as clever as you think you are, hence the irony of your Duning Krueger comment.

lorking · 09/03/2022 17:24

The whole thing is backwards anyway. People want to hang onto their 1m home so the kids can have inheritance as it's the only way on the ladder &/or they need it to fund retirement as savings are doing nothing due to interest rates.

If we had wage growth & more sensible house prices, kids wouldn't need a leg up & higher interest rates would help with savings & investments.

BambinaJAS · 09/03/2022 17:25

@lorking

The only way paying for social care works is if we tap into poperty wealth (which is mostly unearned mind you)

I don't like it but realistically what other options are there? No it won't be Amazon or the global elite. The burden on income tax is already high & income tax payers are & will shrink.

Based on what I have seen (these are long term projections) over 40+ years, it looks like the UK will take a hit to its standard of living unless we have much more immigration.

Politically impossible now for obvious reasons, but once the economic situation deteriorates further due to demographics, my assumption is everything will be on the table again (immigration included).

BambinaJAS · 09/03/2022 17:29

@lorking

The whole thing is backwards anyway. People want to hang onto their 1m home so the kids can have inheritance as it's the only way on the ladder &/or they need it to fund retirement as savings are doing nothing due to interest rates.

If we had wage growth & more sensible house prices, kids wouldn't need a leg up & higher interest rates would help with savings & investments.

Agreed.

The UK is trapped in a higher tax, lower growth cycle due to demographics and politics.

It can be fixed, but there is no political will to do ao.

lorking · 09/03/2022 17:32

@BambinaJAS but the questions is will the immigrants want to come here when other countries will want them too. As you say why would the high tax, low growth model be attractive.

I'd encourage any young person here to move abroad if they can - obviously this will make things worse.

alltheapples · 09/03/2022 17:34

@BambinaJAS stop making assumptions about me. I support using property to pay tax. I would target inheritance tax and capital gains tax for houses. All unearned wealth and the wealthiest would pay more.

alltheapples · 09/03/2022 17:35

[quote lorking]@BambinaJAS but the questions is will the immigrants want to come here when other countries will want them too. As you say why would the high tax, low growth model be attractive.

I'd encourage any young person here to move abroad if they can - obviously this will make things worse. [/quote]
Yes I agree. Britain is not a good place to live. Far better to be in the continent with more support for families and older people.

bamboo12 · 09/03/2022 17:40

Mine is going up to over £4000 a year. My gas is up by about 90% - from £1600 to £3000! My bill is normally £270 a month and accepted that but it’s going to be probably £400 now.
It so unfair and I feel for the peuple who really don’t have the spare income. We will manage just.

BambinaJAS · 09/03/2022 17:45

[quote lorking]@BambinaJAS but the questions is will the immigrants want to come here when other countries will want them too. As you say why would the high tax, low growth model be attractive.

I'd encourage any young person here to move abroad if they can - obviously this will make things worse. [/quote]
The main advantage the UK has is language.

English is spoken pretty much everywhere in the world, so most people have been exposed to it one way or another.

Governments change. If the next set of folks make it easier for immigrants to come (even seasonal by not making visas extortionately expensive) you will see a benefit.

Those immigrants do jobs UK natives do not want to do. They help grow the economy, which increases the tax base revenue wise and improves the workers:retired folks ratio.

I do agree that at the same time that is done, serious investment needs to be directed to younger folks (education, family benefits, skills development) in order halt the potential brain drain.

The tax system also has to shift so that we do not give so many breaks to capital. Cap gains should be taxed as income. There is no excuse not to do this.

Thats kind of how I would start approaching the problem.

CraftyGin · 09/03/2022 17:49

@BigGreen

I hope this encourages the government to invest massively in insulation and renewables. This will help with energy rollercoaster prices plus climate change. Shame that successive governments didn't already invest in these but here we are.
Have you been living under a rock?
caringcarer · 09/03/2022 17:56

I got an email from Octopus today telling me mine would be £3678 per year. This is apparently £50 lower than price cap. It is a huge jump up.

hoopmatrix · 09/03/2022 17:56

It’s absolute madness!!!! British Gas profits are up 44%. They are taking the piss!!!!

ClaudineClare · 09/03/2022 17:57

@Blossomtoes

That's not true for the first person in a couple. If one goes into a home but the other doesn't the state steps in

It is true. In those circumstances the local authority places a charge on 50% of the house, payable when it’s sold.

Only 36% of care home residents are self funding whilst over 75% of over 65's in the Uk own their own home outright

41% of people in residential care are self funders, while 15% of over 85s are in residential care. You’re comparing apples and pears.

If one of a couple goes into care and the home is owned, the value of the home is disregarded when assessing how much the person going into care can pay towards the fees, A charge is not put on the home.

7.003 Where the resident no longer occupies a dwelling as their home, its value should still be disregarded where it is occupied in whole or in part as their only or main home by
• the resident's partner, former partner or civil partner (except where the resident is
estranged or divorced from the partner, former partner or civil partner)
• a lone parent who is the claimant’s estranged or divorced partner
• a relative (as defined at 7.004) of the resident or member of the residents family (as
defined at 7.007) who

  • is aged 60 or over, or
  • is a child of the resident aged under 16, or
  • is incapacitated. Schedule 4 paragraph 2

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/301250/CRAG_34_April_2014.pdf

lorking · 09/03/2022 17:57

The tax system also has to shift so that we do not give so many breaks to capital. Cap gains should be taxed as income. There is no excuse not to do this.

Absolutely agree with this

Snaketime · 09/03/2022 18:04

Someone I knows Bill has gone up to £500 per month Shock.
I really don't know how we are going to avoid the price raises, we can barely keep our head above water as it is.

LizzyA123 · 09/03/2022 18:04

A huge increase here too. Our supplier went bust and I was transferred to another. Have just bitten the bullet and tied into a fixed rate. It’s double what we were paying before, so could be in the region of £4000 this year. 🙁 Thought I would buy a belt so that I can tighten it, but putting the money towards the energy bill instead.

Cyw2018 · 09/03/2022 18:04

@caringcarer

I got an email from Octopus today telling me mine would be £3678 per year. This is apparently £50 lower than price cap. It is a huge jump up.
Oh. We're with octopus and our fixed rate ends on May, not looking forward to it.
Tomitma111 · 09/03/2022 18:04

Unfortunately it is not only the UK it is happening across the world, the US, Canada, Australia, France Germany they are all having the same problems. It is something we will all have to face, the time to buckle our belts tighter has come

Tuskanini · 09/03/2022 18:04

We all knew we had to reduce our fuel usage. But actually doing something about it was harder...

Who'd have guessed we'd be forced into economy by having the same amount to spend, but getting half as much fuel for it!

MrsTommyS · 09/03/2022 18:05

Thanks @HappyWinter this is just what I’m looking for but might look into the 12L, will have a think.

Is it quiet while running?

JanglyBeads · 09/03/2022 18:08

Not happening in France, the govt there has ensured that the fuel companies have to fund the increased costs rather than householders.

ThistlesAndUnicorns · 09/03/2022 18:08

Call me naive, but surely if many people have to cut right back they aren't making any more money?

I already know I can;t afford the increase. Fortunately (which is ironic!) my house is awful for heat retention, boiler hasn't worked properly for years (awful, awful landlord!) so we would be ok without heating for half the year.

I really don't see who is benefiting from this if most people will have to cut back. I am terrified (despite being not too stressed on the heating part during the summer) I will not afford our electricity bills, food increases etc plus my rent.