Ukrainians should just be given a three year stay in UK, no visa needed.

[Kendodd]

And they should be allowed to work, but not claim asylum.
And before people start jumping up and down 'they're not coming here, we're full up' minimal state support should be given to appease you lot. A network should be set up tso people with space, spare rooms etc can offer accommodation. Some of the people coming will be teachers, they can be supported in setting up informal or online schools for the children.
This is temporary, we are better than this. I know the Tories don't want it but they don't have to get over involved, individual people will step up and take people in. I know it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

Yabu - No
Yanbu Let them come

If you just let people in without doing basic checks do you not think non Ukrainians might abuse the system?

@tttigress

If you just let people in without doing basic checks do you not think non Ukrainians might abuse the system?

At the moment they aren't letting in people's elderly parents and other relatives who can prove exactly who they are.

Some of them have been to the UK before just before Covid hit so there should be records of that.

We need to give them refuge - but why 3 years?

@tttigress

If you just let people in without doing basic checks do you not think non Ukrainians might abuse the system?

This is a myth. It is made up to scare people.

Look at what has happened in Germany since Merkel took 1 million undocumented migrants.

@tttigress

If you just let people in without doing basic checks do you not think non Ukrainians might abuse the system?

If only there was a way to prove your nationality for the purposes of international travel..... Oh,wait.

Merkel took the really dangerous migrants too, the ones Trump and Farage warned us all about.

The Tories have refused to build any new housing because they want to keep house prices high and only affordable for the rich/people able to get massive mortgages, so I doubt they'll suddenly start building millions of houses in which case, where will millions of refugee families be housed when there is already a million strong waiting list for housing for people living here? There are only so many people willing to give up spare rooms etc.

We have a severe housing crisis with 1 in 200 people currently being homeless, we cannot add up to 20 million more people and house them!

I’d love to do it, but you have to understand the reality is that we are more than “full up” with such a high rate of homelessness.

@BarbaraofSeville don't be silly someone's elderly mum, sister-in-law and kids, or niece who last visited the UK in 2019 can't prove who they are.

If you just let people in without doing basic checks do you not think non Ukrainians might abuse the system?

First of all, what people? People pretending to be Ukrainian?
Secondly, their will be basic checks, they will have passports or ID cards.
Thirdly, how exactly will these people without passports, pretending to be Ukrainian, abuse the system? By getting a job?

@lonelyapple

The Tories have refused to build any new housing because they want to keep house prices high and only affordable for the rich/people able to get massive mortgages, so I doubt they'll suddenly start building millions of houses in which case, where will millions of refugee families be housed when there is already a million strong waiting list for housing for people living here? There are only so many people willing to give up spare rooms etc.

Building housing wouldn't help them right now anyway.

Make temporary accommodation in community buildings, libraries etc like we do in floods and storms etc.

Realistically the logical approach would be the bloody huge palaces and second houses the royal family and other extraordinarily rich people have.

@EmpressCixi We aren't going to get 20 million people. Due to where the UK is located Ukrainians who are fleeing will be spread out around Europe.

Europe is doing this. And giving people with Ukrainian passports free train travel. I’m on a Facebook sofa surfing type group for women hosting women (host a sister) which is full of women offering their sofas or spare rooms to Ukrainian women who are stuck, a lot of them who were just on holiday in Barcelona or Rome when war hit their house and don’t know what to do. Can you imagine being on a sunbed in Tenerife and checking the news to see there’s a shell where your house used to be. It’s heartwarming to see the bonds being forged and it’s also sad that there aren’t any posts offering uk sofas because we can’t.

Yes the lack of infrastructure is an issue, the Tories have run Britain down to such an awful state. My town looks the way I remember it looking in the early 90s. Tory governments just break everything's and siphon cash to their donors.

However migrants are net contributors economically, if any country needs an economic boost it is the UK.

To address the “let then work” why treat them differently from all other refugees....ie the nonwhite ones from Africa and Afghanistan? That smacks of racial preference for white refugees and racism against nonwhite refugees.

the reality is that we are more than “full up” with such a high rate of homelessness.

Well 1,000,000 EU citizens have left since Brexit and 150,000 people have received died from covid, I make that room for 1,150,000 people. Plus don't we have 1,000,000 job vacancies.
I have a spare room, I can take a couple. Loads and loads of people do and would.

Realistically the logical approach would be the bloody huge palaces and second houses the royal family and other extraordinarily rich people have.

Realistically, the best way to help them is to neighbouring states with as much money and practical support as we can to provide shelter and everything they need so they can return home once the war is over. The neighbouring states are far more culturally similar and are much nearer than travelling all the way to the UK.

We cannot ignore the fact that we already have a massive housing crisis which is due to get worse because of the Tories ensuring that housing is basically unaffordable and not doing anything to really help with the cost of living, inflation running rampant. I don't think the solution is to take in a million more people when we already don't have the infrastructure to provide for the people who are already here and homeless etc.

[quote RedWingBoots]@EmpressCixi We aren't going to get 20 million people. Due to where the UK is located Ukrainians who are fleeing will be spread out around Europe.[/quote]
It’s day 3 and already 500,000 have fled. I know we would not get all 20m, but that is total population from which number of potential refugees would be in the millions. We can’t take 10,000 of the 500,000 that already are seeking asylum.

And to the poster going on about spare rooms. I don’t have a spare room. Most of the U.K. population doesn’t own a spare bedroom.

@EmpressCixi

To address the “let then work” why treat them differently from all other refugees....ie the nonwhite ones from Africa and Afghanistan? That smacks of racial preference for white refugees and racism against nonwhite refugees.

Agree, but overall UK immigration policy is a self-defeating mess designed only to appease the thick and/or racist so this would at least be in line.

Come by boat or lorry? Bad immigrant.
Come by train? Good immigrant.

Where are we going to find the billions it's going to cost to house people it's all very well saying people can offer spare rooms etc ,but there's a world of difference offering your spare room to a well educated ,middle class women than to a young lad with no real qualifications ,in reality all this takes planning and money .

Most of the U.K. population doesn’t own a spare bedroom this is opinion not fact.

Many people are in crowded housing but also many are in houses too large.

"Realistically the logical approach would be the bloody huge palaces and second houses the royal family and other extraordinarily rich people have."

Now there's an idea. Half of London is full of massive empty properties owned by Russian oligarchs for tax purposes. We'll claim them back and house Ukrainian refugees in them.

the reality is that we are more than “full up” with such a high rate of homelessness.

That’s because we have a ridiculous system where young people have a future ahead of them of being forced to rent for a large proportion of their adult lives.

Rich landlords and overseas investors are buying up properties as investments and many of them are sitting empty.

We have more than enough capacity for housing, a lot of it is just inaccessible.

@EmpressCixi we know the government is racist. If the Ukrainian refugees are given more privileges then they that can be used as a stick to beat them with later.

Oh and this shitty government couldn't get Afghans out who worked for the UK.

I think britain is crap with refugeees and we dont take our fair share from any conflict.