Ukrainians should just be given a three year stay in UK, no visa needed.

[Kendodd]

And they should be allowed to work, but not claim asylum.
And before people start jumping up and down 'they're not coming here, we're full up' minimal state support should be given to appease you lot. A network should be set up tso people with space, spare rooms etc can offer accommodation. Some of the people coming will be teachers, they can be supported in setting up informal or online schools for the children.
This is temporary, we are better than this. I know the Tories don't want it but they don't have to get over involved, individual people will step up and take people in. I know it's not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

Yabu - No
Yanbu Let them come

@Kendodd

the reality is that we are more than “full up” with such a high rate of homelessness.

Well 1,000,000 EU citizens have left since Brexit and 150,000 people have received died from covid, I make that room for 1,150,000 people. Plus don't we have 1,000,000 job vacancies.
I have a spare room, I can take a couple. Loads and loads of people do and would.

2020 had one of the highest net migration figures to the UK of all time.

Perhaps the Government should make a law that anyone with more bedrooms than they need has to house refugees as an emergency temporary solution? Do you think that would be a good idea rather than pushing homeless people to the back of the queue?

@x2boys

Where are we going to find the billions it's going to cost to house people it's all very well saying people can offer spare rooms etc ,but there's a world of difference offering your spare room to a well educated ,middle class women than to a young lad with no real qualifications ,in reality all this takes planning and money .

Just repeating out my regular reminder if we can afford to throw money away on Brexit, which is costing us a fucking fortune every week, we can't bleat on about money.

Brexit is the epitome of pissing away wealth.

Immigrants are net contributors anyway, the economic growth generated in Germany from the million they let in is huge.

@Kendodd

the reality is that we are more than “full up” with such a high rate of homelessness.

Well 1,000,000 EU citizens have left since Brexit and 150,000 people have received died from covid, I make that room for 1,150,000 people. Plus don't we have 1,000,000 job vacancies.
I have a spare room, I can take a couple. Loads and loads of people do and would.

That's way to simplistic ,my parents have four spare rooms , however they are both nearly eighty my mum is extremely vulnerable both physically and mentally no way would they be in a position to offer a spare room .

If it were that simple I'd agree. But there are too many complications such as non Ukrainians abusing this offer. That is a problem not just in human terms but in terms of public security as well.
We don't have decent facilities in place to manage day to day immigration alone an uncontrolled visa system.
Ukrainians are actually probably better off being relocated to Eastern European countries for their own benefits until they are more able to return home. I'm quite sure that most do not want to be put in a completely different culture for three years with their families and or dc only to have to return to their own culture a few years later.

@Kendodd

the reality is that we are more than “full up” with such a high rate of homelessness.

Well 1,000,000 EU citizens have left since Brexit and 150,000 people have received died from covid, I make that room for 1,150,000 people. Plus don't we have 1,000,000 job vacancies.
I have a spare room, I can take a couple. Loads and loads of people do and would.

Nice numbers but the rate of homelessness is still 1 in 200 per the 2021 statistics from Shelter.

You are obscuring the fact that we still had net immigration of around 300,000 per year and also all the births on top of that, meaning the UK population is actually 1 million higher now than it was in 2019 pre Covid, and over 2 million higher than since the Brexit vote in 2016.

www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population/

To address the “let then work” why treat them differently from all other refugees....ie the nonwhite ones from Africa and Afghanistan? That smacks of racial preference for white refugees and racism against nonwhite refugees.

I've been arguing for ages refugees should be allowed to work. It makes absolutely no sense to me that they can't.
I think they Ukrainian crisis isn't the same as Afghanistan or Syria, my feeling is this will be temporary, so no need to claim asylum and clogging up an already overloaded system. Ukrainians actually have less need than the other two groups, imo, in that even if they stayed and Putin won, life would be nothing compared to the horrors of living under the Taliban or ISIS. Anyway, I don't think long term Putin will win and so hosting Ukrainians will be short term, and if it's not, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

@pinkrhubarb

If it were that simple I'd agree. But there are too many complications such as non Ukrainians abusing this offer. That is a problem not just in human terms but in terms of public security as well. We don't have decent facilities in place to manage day to day immigration alone an uncontrolled visa system. Ukrainians are actually probably better off being relocated to Eastern European countries for their own benefits until they are more able to return home. I'm quite sure that most do not want to be put in a completely different culture for three years with their families and or dc only to have to return to their own culture a few years later.

Ah, the security myth again.

Trump was keen on this rubbish, as was Farage.

Germany let in a million refugees. It was fine. Economically beneficial.

The EU have waived any visa requirements. All Ukrainians are welcome. Shame on the UK

homelessness is still 1 in 200 per the 2021
And whole fault is that? Refugees who have absolutely no power to do anything about that, they can't even vote. Or the government?

@Kendodd

homelessness is still 1 in 200 per the 2021 And whole fault is that? Refugees who have absolutely no power to do anything about that, they can't even vote. Or the government?

It’s our fault obviously but to argue we have plenty of room and can house tens of thousands of refugees when we have close to a million already here that we cannot and are not housing sort proves my point. We don’t have room. We don’t have housing. Are you suggesting we just build tent city refugee camps? Because that’s what would have to happen.

There's always people who ruin the system for everyone by taking advantage. I can imagine gangs trafficking people etc for costs. Checks need to be done even though it's a war - they have other safe countries to reside in much closer.

Actually Germany has a lot of problems with immigrants too. Have you been there recently? I was in Germany in 2020 and there was an anti Islamic March going on while I was there. It was terrifying and could easily happen here if even more people are let in that's why it has to be balanced. Not everyone in the U.K. agrees that there should be more uncontrolled immigration

There have been what the Germans call 'foreign' people sexually attacking locals. It isn't as rosy as one might believe. I also live in a high immigrant area and things don't go well because men from certain countries are raised that white women are nothing in their eyes. They come to the U.K. for The benefits of living in a western country but want to keep the chauvinistic power of their own cultures at the same time.
Why is it a myth that there could be problems? It's common sense to me that it could lead to trouble.

How would the U.K. deal with people turning up without passports? Turn them away? It isn't that simple.

@labyrinthlaziness

Most of the U.K. population doesn’t own a spare bedroom this is opinion not fact.

Many people are in crowded housing but also many are in houses too large.

And ? You can't just force people to take in asylum seekers because they have too many spare rooms ,my parents dont use half their house due to my mum's very ,very limited mobility,they are far to old and frail to offer their spare bedrooms,this s house that they own outright .

Oh and this shitty government couldn't get Afghans out who worked for the UK.

I know. It was absolutely shameful. Those people were Jews fleeing Nazi's, the horror of what they were facing couldn't be clearer.

@EmpressCixi "It’s day 3 and already 500,000 have fled. I know we would not get all 20m, but that is total population from which number of potential refugees would be in the millions. We can’t take 10,000 of the 500,000 that already are seeking asylum.

And to the poster going on about spare rooms. I don’t have a spare room. Most of the U.K. population doesn’t own a spare bedroom."

How do you make up your numbers??? 500k fleeing in the first 3 days when people are bound to be, correctly, panicking, does not automatically equal the same level over the days-months following.

And the stats showed in 2019 there were over 84 million bedrooms in the UK - there's only 67 million people in the UK and not all of them need their own room so how have you decided 'most of UK doesn't own a spare room'??? Granted not everyone could/should give up their spare room but at least acknowledge it's not a problem of supply!!

We don’t have the money for this or the infrastructure and I doubt they even want to come here much. One assumes they will want to get home as soon as they can and it will be easier for them from the eastern parts of the EU. This country has big cash problems, we paid a load of people to sit on their arses for nothing, locked down businesses for them to collapse to save the stricken NHS. There is no magic money tree. People squealing that the NHS is on it’s knees and squealing more with a tiny NI raise after spending MONTHS being paid to bake brownies at home. It would be lovely to throw the doors open to all migrants and refugees who need our help but we cannot bloody afford it! We can afford to send them defensive weapons and sanction the Russians and throw diplomacy and support behind them. The Ukrainians shouldn’t have to leave and they don’t want to anyway! We should be trying to stop the situation that forces them out in the first place.

I don't object to Ukrainian refugees coming to the UK. What I don't understand about your post is why you think they should be exempt from claiming asylum? If you're fleeing war, you are a refugee. Do you think refugees from other parts of the world should be allowed to come to the UK but not claim asylum?

@x2boys

Do try to read the posts before replying.

I'm not suggesting anyone be forced to do anything. I was just correcting a factual error.

@pinkrhubarb

Actually Germany has a lot of problems with immigrants too. Have you been there recently? I was in Germany in 2020 and there was an anti Islamic March going on while I was there. It was terrifying and could easily happen here if even more people are let in that's why it has to be balanced. Not everyone in the U.K. agrees that there should be more uncontrolled immigration

There have been what the Germans call 'foreign' people sexually attacking locals. It isn't as rosy as one might believe. I also live in a high immigrant area and things don't go well because men from certain countries are raised that white women are nothing in their eyes. They come to the U.K. for The benefits of living in a western country but want to keep the chauvinistic power of their own cultures at the same time.
Why is it a myth that there could be problems? It's common sense to me that it could lead to trouble.

How would the U.K. deal with people turning up without passports? Turn them away? It isn't that simple.

Anti-muslim marches are not problems of immigration, they are problems of racist nationals.

Your post is full of the same racist crap as usual.

Minimal benefits

Can work

Yet the people coming would be elderly, young children and the mothers of the children

How could that group 'work'? The men late not coming over so one adult could stay home/one work

Was mildly surprised at Yvette Cooper? hand waving security checks when asked on R4 Today this morning. Instant admittance but security checks will just be able to happen quickly enough. Would be more impressed if they owned the consequences of what they propose though I suppose practicality and consistency doesn't need to be a feature of Loyal Opposition.

I agree. There's no need to offer free housing or anything more than the minimum benefits to help them settle, as long as they are allowed to work they will manage, just like the other 2mil+ Eastern European immigrants to the UK have done so far.

A much poorer country like Romania has announced they can take in half a million Ukrainian immigrants, whilst the UK is all talk and no action.

Most Ukranians have family and social links to other central and eastern european countries, not the UK. I wouldn’t be surprised if the UK did offer asylum - they always tend to offer it when they know take up will be neglible (eg Hong Kong).

[quote Drivingish]@EmpressCixi "It’s day 3 and already 500,000 have fled. I know we would not get all 20m, but that is total population from which number of potential refugees would be in the millions. We can’t take 10,000 of the 500,000 that already are seeking asylum.

And to the poster going on about spare rooms. I don’t have a spare room. Most of the U.K. population doesn’t own a spare bedroom."

How do you make up your numbers??? 500k fleeing in the first 3 days when people are bound to be, correctly, panicking, does not automatically equal the same level over the days-months following.

And the stats showed in 2019 there were over 84 million bedrooms in the UK - there's only 67 million people in the UK and not all of them need their own room so how have you decided 'most of UK doesn't own a spare room'??? Granted not everyone could/should give up their spare room but at least acknowledge it's not a problem of supply!![/quote]
Where are you getting 84 million bedrooms from? And have you deducted vacant foreign owned properties?

All I know is that overcrowding is the highest is has ever been since records started in 1995. Overcrowding is when you have 3 people sharing 1 bedroom...

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

"Realistically the logical approach would be the bloody huge palaces and second houses the royal family and other extraordinarily rich people have."

Now there's an idea. Half of London is full of massive empty properties owned by Russian oligarchs for tax purposes. We'll claim them back and house Ukrainian refugees in them.

I could definitely support this!